http://dr_hermes.insanejournal.com/ ([identity profile] dr_hermes.insanejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2009-07-05 10:54 pm

Wait, how does that work again?

Figure this one out. It's a sequence from "The Return of Doctor Doom!" in THE FANTASTIC FOUR# 10, January 1963. Script by Stan Lee, art by Jack Kirby and Dick Ayers.




So. Alicia Masters is a talented sculptor (well, her father was the Puppet Master, so you can see how she grew up with the materials around her), despite the fact that she's blind. She touches people and things to get a sense of what they look like and carves statues that are quite accurate. So far, okay, not out of the limits of the possible and (by comic book standards, quite modest a claim).

Yet how does she create these little figurines of finks like Dr Doom, the Sub-Mariner, the Skrulls? The Fantastic Four had only met the Mole Man once at this point, certainly hadn't taken any photos of him.(The statuettes are in great poses, by the way, very expressive of the subjects' personalities). Did Ben talk her through the process? How long would that take? Weeks, months? ("Naw, honey, the Miracle Man's waist was slimmer...")

There's only one answer that makes sense to me. Despite the fact he had fingers as thick as cigars, with only three fingers and a thumb on each hand, Ben was actually the sculptor! He was using Alicia as a front, because he thought his artistic inclinations were too sissy for a guy in 1963...

[identity profile] crinosg.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
I like to think that Alicia is just a very empathic person, and is so scary talented that she can capture a persons true essence in clay just a little intel to go on.

[identity profile] blake_reitz.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
This was actually the explanation in Earth X, if memory serves. Her latent "mutation", a result of being born near all that highly radioactive clay, was the ability to "see" people as they would be without Celestial influence. It was a cool idea in a series that has several, and just went on wayyyy too long.

[identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
In Earth X, it turns out Earth is housing a gestating Celestial. That's why a) there are so many people with superpowers--to protect the organism; and b)Galactus was so damn interested in it--he's charged with preventing the Celestials with becoming too numerous, so he eats the worlds they grow in.

[identity profile] perletwo.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 07:39 am (UTC)(link)
So the gestating Celestial = tasty nougat center?

[identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 08:19 am (UTC)(link)
Essentially. And, I could be misremembering, but I think the Terragin mists are basically waste product of the baby Celestial.

[identity profile] perletwo.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
So the Inhumans have a Celestial amniotic fluid sauna? Ew. Ew. Ew.

[identity profile] arilou_skiff.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 10:53 am (UTC)(link)
Nah, the Terrigan Mists were created by the kree for some reason or other, the inhumans were basically parasiting off the gestating celestial somehow.

I believe they called them a foreign virus while the native superheroes were the Celestial's immune system.

Or something.

[identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com 2009-07-07 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
I don't get it. How's the Celestial making people look different? Why? And what do they really look like--Alicia makes realistic statues..

[identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
It all sounds like my wondering how Daredevil recognizes supervillains he's never personally met.

But what you're talking about actually isn't that different from what her stepfather does--whose power, we must never forget, is magic from Wundagore!

By the by, have you ever seen the movie Eyes Without A Face? I was astonished to realize that a recent Alicia story had ripped the movie off pretty blatantly.

[identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com 2009-07-07 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
No, that's the one. Watched it recently, but its pretty obscure French horror.

There was a Alicia and Puppetmaster story (shortly before he was killed by Ms. Marvel) where he kept murdering people and surgically removing their eyes and putting them in Alicia. Really wierd to watch the movie and imagine the two characters in the actors places.

[identity profile] randyripoff.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think I buy Ben Grimm thinking that sculpting wasn't 'manly' enough. However, I could see him thinking that his work wasn't good enough, and being embarrassed about that.

I Think I See A Hole In Your Theory, Sadly

[identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
With those hands?

[identity profile] perletwo.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
Alicia looks remarkably like Crystal here.

[identity profile] long_silence.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 06:33 am (UTC)(link)
Is that better or worse than looking like Sue?

[identity profile] perletwo.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
Call it a draw. I wouldn't say no to looking like either of them, frankly.

[identity profile] long_silence.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
I just find it kinda creepy.

Alicia is supposed to look really similar to Sue. And now she looks like Crystal.

So Johnny married Lyja who looked like Alicia who looked like his ex-girlfriend and/or his sister.

The Human Torch has some issues.

[identity profile] superfan1.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 07:01 am (UTC)(link)
I recognize most of the sculptor figurines, but who the guy in green with his arm sticking out?

[identity profile] superfan1.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you and is he still around to give the FF trouble? :)

[identity profile] newnumber6.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
Or, I suppose, she's secretly been sneaking around to the most remote areas on Earth to feel up Ben's villains.

Or Reed uses a 3-d printer machine to create a base sculpture of some of them from his files and photos, and passes them off to alicia who gets an idea of what they look like and makes her own sculptures which are dynamic and artsy.

[identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I can imagine Reed devising a thingie which will create 3d images from his and the other memories, for Alicia to work with. The different perceptions of the various people contributing, would allow her to create a balanced image.

I can also imagine Doom actually sending her all the 3D reference she would possibly want or need, his monumental ego, and admiration for her talent as an artist, would mean he would HAVE to ensure that his statue was perfect.

[identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com 2009-07-06 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing to remember is that photos would have no meaning for Alicia, what with her being blind and all, so she'd need to get 3D reference from somewhere.

Doom might have abandoned the castle, but it would probably still legally be sovereign Latverian territory, no?