Date: 2009-07-10 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arbre_rieur.insanejournal.com
Didn't the origin of the canary cry use to be Dinah's exposure in the womb to all the weird energies one tends to be exposed to when hanging out with the JSA: mystic green flame and Johnny's Thunderbolt and the like? I was always partial to that origin.

Date: 2009-07-10 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uadlika.insanejournal.com
Ugh. Dinah KNEW her mom was Black Canary! In Birds of Prey she was telling Sin about how she gave the #1 Mom mug to her ironically because BC1 would always miss school events and the like. The only consistent part with what I've seen before of Dinah's origin is that her mom didn't want her to be a costumed hero.

Blech. Why is this book ruining two of my favorite characters? I'm dreading learning what happened in the main story with GA.

Date: 2009-07-10 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chengar.insanejournal.com
Because Kreisberg is obsesses with doing everything he possibly can to reverse all the awesome character development that Dinah got in Birds of Prey.

Date: 2009-07-10 03:50 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Dinah Lance)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
I would say I liked it better when she'd grown up knowing the JSAers, but that's still the way it is, being this doesn't exist and all.

Date: 2009-07-10 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red_cyclone.insanejournal.com
I'm with you, I actually started off buying this, dropped it long ago, and am doing my best to pretend it never happened. Reading this reminds me that was the right thing to do.

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Date: 2009-07-10 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] milleniumrex.insanejournal.com
Epic fail is epic.

Date: 2009-07-10 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thokstar.insanejournal.com
Not to be a jerk, but don't you need scans in a post? There certainly not any in the post, and certainly not any of Dinah's origin being horribly mangled.

;)

Date: 2009-07-10 04:27 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Ollie Queen)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
I see my influence is spreading! :D

Date: 2009-07-10 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zahri.insanejournal.com
I continue to be impressed by how much more out of character everyone appears each month here.

I don't remember Ted ever before now trying to convince Dinah to be a superhero. Support her, yes. Teach her, always. But recruiting her? Pah.

And Dinah, who gave you the amnesia drugs? Do you even know it's Ted under there? Did your sudden and jarring deaging wipe every memory from your head?

Date: 2009-07-10 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comicoz.insanejournal.com
Wait, put down the pitchforks and torches, I've figured out why this comic has gone so horribly and terribly wrong lately.

It's an alternate, non-canonically related to anything universe like Superman/Batman. Back in the normal universe, Dinah is still a functional superhero.

See? That works, right?

Date: 2009-07-10 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com
. . . didn't the BC co-feature start up this issue? Or . . .
::horrified face:: was this it???

Date: 2009-07-10 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamino_neko.insanejournal.com
Wait...they're giving her a backup in a book she's already co-headlining? Have they cut her role in the main story back that much...?

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Date: 2009-07-10 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khamelea.insanejournal.com
At least she's not bursting anyone' eardrums!

Date: 2009-07-10 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] batcookies.insanejournal.com
John Byrne is no longer the King of Bad Retcons.

Date: 2009-07-10 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] innerbrat.insanejournal.com
I hate being right about the levels of fail Kreisburg will sink toalost as much as I hate it when he surprises me.

When did Dinah Drake ever wear a halter top?

Date: 2009-07-10 08:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unknownscribler.insanejournal.com
I can see this book making Dinah box-office poison in the eyes of the idiots running the show just like Cass.

Date: 2009-07-10 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarodrussell.insanejournal.com
I kind of get the impression "Hollywood" doesn't give two tugs what comics do. In less than ten years, Dinah's been on television/DVD in for different incarnation: BoP, JLU, Smallville, BATBATB, and a cameo in New Frontier. I wouldn't worry about Kreisberg screwing up anything for Dinah.

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Date: 2009-07-10 11:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gailsimone.insanejournal.com
??????!!!!!!!!!!?????????

Date: 2009-07-10 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unknownscribler.insanejournal.com
*passes the many and varied potions of pain numbing*

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Date: 2009-07-10 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] halloweenjack.insanejournal.com
Quick question, ladies: how many of you would have told your mom, when you were in high school, that all your "guy friends" thought she was a MILF?

Date: 2009-07-10 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicky_wayne.insanejournal.com
...I did. XD

i'm taking a page out of jarodrussell's book

Date: 2009-07-10 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottyquick.insanejournal.com
Gosh, isn't Air so fun and creative?

Re: i'm taking a page out of jarodrussell's book

Date: 2009-07-10 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarodrussell.insanejournal.com
Not when it doesn't load the Flash applet you need it to load.

...

Wait, which Air are you talking about? Widget engine, Apple laptop, or comic book about a stewardess?

Third time's a charm...

Date: 2009-07-10 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarodrussell.insanejournal.com
You know what I do like about these pages? No Green Arrow. As messed up as this may be canon-wise, it makes me smile to see Dinah-sans-Ollie. Ted's smiling puss doesn't help, but it's better than Ollie.

Plus...plus...plus...Dinah has a grappling hook! DINAH HAS A GRAPPLING HOOK! She hasn't used tools since Dixon left BOP. That's...it's...ABOUT DAMN TIME!

If Kreisberg's realized how stupid it was for Dinah not to have a lockpick, and is going to start giving her tools...like Batman, like Ollie, like the Hawks, like Mr. Terrific, like Blue Beetle, like Captain America, and so on...I almost want to pick up the book as a dollar vote in favor of Dinah being equipped with stuff like that. Almost.

Date: 2009-07-10 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlbarnett.insanejournal.com
yet another strange thing, Ted and Dinah Sr. are both non-powered heroes. Why would Ted feel the need to press Dinah Jr to keep her Canary Cry, which just deafened her best friend, to encourage her to be a hero.

Date: 2009-07-10 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zemo.insanejournal.com
While I understand that a retcon of origin is of great importance for fans, I think some of you are overdoing the Kreisberg-bashing.

Let's look at the issue:

-Black Canary single-handedly beats the menace-de-jour without the slightest problem
-BC's story is the first one
-BC gets to tell Ollie off in his own part of the book
-BC gets a grappling hook (and Kreisberg makes it so that she doesn't seem just like a lame Batman knock-off)
-BC survives the obligatory big explosion AND saves the villain at the same time

I think you can't just bite down on a writer just because he doesn't write your character the same way he or she was written when you started to like them.

'Sides: Ollie's cool in this, and I totally dig Cupid. Can't wait for the Cupid/Black Canary double feature.

Date: 2009-07-10 06:57 pm (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Dinah Lance)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
-BC gets to tell Ollie off in his own part of the book

That this is basically all their relationship has consisted of via Kreisberg is not actually a pro.

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biased and missing the point, but still

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Date: 2009-07-12 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottyquick.insanejournal.com
Wait.
What the fuck.
He's drinking out of the #1 mom cup?
But isn't the entire point of this retcon to show that Dinah had no clue that vieuxDinah! was the Black Canary?

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