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So all the talk as of late about The Killing Joke reminded me of something. Specifically, I've seen the whole "one bad day" talk elsewhere, perhaps as a sort of homage or tribute? But not in anything as dark or grim as the source material...

Here are two pages from Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog #172. Fiona, a relatively new member of the Freedom Fighters, has shown her true colors, revealing that she's been cheating on Sonic (something that's a non-issue nowadays, mind) and further breaking Tails' heart due to her affection towards Scourge the Hedgehog.

Scourge, for those who don't know, was originally the "Anti" or "Evil" Sonic from a mirror dimension (read: "Zone") who had been hanging around Sonic's world for longer than usual as of late. He tried to get a boost of energy from the Master Emerald, perhaps even go Super, but was interrupted in the process by a fierce blow from Locke, the pre-reboot father of Knuckles the Echidna.

The result seemingly left his appearance in a mid-transformative state (blue to green to yellow), and with a couple of scarred claw marks across his chest, courtesy of Locke.

In the time since, Fiona found that Scourge is basically whatever she might have liked about Sonic, but tweaked into something more "her", bringing us to this moment:





Anyway, I don't know how common referencing the whole "One Bad Day" thing outside of Batman is, but I couldn't help but think about this and figured now would be a good time to share.

Date: 2016-04-09 04:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crinos
That kind of reminds me of the season one finale of Batman: The Brave and the Bold.

In it, we have a counter earth where all the good guys are bad guys and the bad guys are good. The main villain is the Batman equivalent Owlman, and the main hero, who goes to recruit the main universe Batman to help him, is The Red Hood, a good version of the Joker. He's even shown to have the same origins as the main Universe Joker: He got dropped into chemicals which gave him clown features, and when he saw his reflection he started giggling uncontrollably.... but then he caught himself before her went completely over the edge.

In the second part of the episode, where Batman has been framed by his evil twin and he has to team up with The Joker, Batman comments that thanks to the Red Hood he knows that deep down There is a good man even in The Joker.

Date: 2016-04-09 04:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chalicother
Batman comments that thanks to the Red Hood he knows that deep down There is a good man even in The Joker.

To be fair, that only works in the Batman:The Brave and the Bold universe. No other Joker could have that. The most is that he actually loves Harley or at least treat's her with respect.


Though back to this scene, I love the reversal of this. The whole idea that a bad guy could be good , if he changes a few things about themselves. I know I have seen it before, but never to this extent really. It should be a more used trope.

Date: 2016-04-09 07:33 am (UTC)
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Yea, baddies love to use it as a taunt, but Sonic just throws it back.

It doesn't hurt that Sonic has an honestly better life.

Date: 2016-04-09 11:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The Joker having a decent core has been shown more than once, like the time the Martian Manhunter when intisde Joker's mind and found the humanity in him, or the times he'd thought Batman dead, and basically stopped being evil because what was the point without Batman?

Actually....

Date: 2016-04-09 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] 7dialsmystery
...if the Joker stopped being evil by choice then that makes him significantly more evil than if he were some nutter that really, honestly had no idea what he was doing was wrong and couldn't stop being the Joker.

Re: Actually....

Date: 2016-04-09 08:38 pm (UTC)
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It's not so much that he CHOSE to stop being evil, but that without Batman to obsess over (he thought he'd killed him), he, for want of a better phrase, went sane and entered a sort of fugue state where he adopted a new identity as the mild-manned Joseph Kerr. As soon as Batman showed up again, the madness came roaring back...

Date: 2016-04-09 07:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Good stuff, Sonic is a surprising strong comic, and Flynn was especially on during that stretch.

Date: 2016-04-13 04:39 pm (UTC)
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Flynn is really overlooked as a writer due to what he writes. Many comic readers would probably assume Sonic and Mega Man would be third-rate schlock (and Sonic kinda was for quite a few periods, especially when Bollers and Penders were at their worst and there was simply no editor at the reins to speak of), but the Sonic comic has probably never been better (especially now that a ton of baggage has been jettisoned thanks to the "reboot") and Mega Man was one of the smartest, best-written comics in the last decade or so. 'Was' being the operative word, still bitter over the whole 'hiatus' thing.

Funny how all it takes is a good writer who loves and truly understands the material they're working with. Flynn has had his trip-ups and has his writing quirks/hangups, of course, but he's come a long way since he started off having to do the monumental task of cleaning up the gigantic mess Bollers and Penders left with Sonic (and succeeding for the most part, to boot). Shame he's working for a publisher that isn't terribly bright with its financial decisions. Flynn and the stuff he's working on seem more suited to IDW than Archie, IMO.

Date: 2016-04-14 02:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Honestly I like Sonic better pre-reboot, it was really building some arc stuff that had to be dropped (I mean, one of the most-central characters to it was suddenly off-limits), and I haven't gotten quite the same feeling of momentum after, but it's still quite fun. Universe especially has some good arcs.

-Shame he's working for a publisher that isn't terribly bright with its financial decisions.-

They aren't? Hadn't heard Archie had problems- was under the impression they were doing fairly well, what with a couple big hits like Life with Archie, Afterlife with Archie, and the big Archie reboot.

Date: 2016-04-14 04:22 pm (UTC)
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There was a kickstarter thing going on connected to the big Archie reboot involving three spin-off comics starring specific characters, only for the kickstarter to be cancelled when fans started wondering why Archie would need crowdfunding in the first place. It doesn't speak well to the state of their finances, and I think it's probably the sole reason why Mega Man was put on hold.

Though, really, it also speaks to something of rather notable problems in the industry itself. I've noticed that US comics industry is strangely insular and practically incestuous in how it operates (I don't think the same can be said for European comics, and manga is practically the opposite, what with being a mainstream medium in its home country and very popular), and while digital distribution kinda helps, the industry seems to have a bizarre sense of tunnel vision. Comics should be far, far more popular than they are now considering the ridiculous amount of money adaptations in other mediums are raking in.

Date: 2016-04-15 10:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
-and I think it's probably the sole reason why Mega Man was put on hold.-

There's a license thing going on in Megaman's case, something to do with a new game or such. Everything related to it seems to be fairly up in the air, from what I hear.

It's not like Archie's not doing other licenses- Predator, Sharknado (though, granted, that's a cheap one ^^), and recently did the big capcom crossover that included Street Fighter and the like.

-I've noticed that US comics industry is strangely insular and practically incestuous in how it operates (I don't think the same can be said for European comics, and manga is practically the opposite, what with being a mainstream medium in its home country and very popular),-

Oh, it's mainstream and popular, but pretty insular in itself. *Very* reluctant to glance at digital, and mangaka have it fairly hard.

US has done a lot more to modernize. The indie comics and webcomics have given 'em sources of new blood, IMO.

- Comics should be far, far more popular than they are now considering the ridiculous amount of money adaptations in other mediums are raking in.-

Eh, success in one media doesn't translate into success in another, and the arc of comics over the last 10~ years has been pretty impressive, adapting and expanding at the same time magazines falter and fall. Barnes & Noble, the US's biggest bookstore chain, literally doubled their graphic novel section last year chain-wide.

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