[identity profile] arbre_rieur.insanejournal.com posting in [community profile] scans_daily
This comic shows us a seldom-seen side of Rob Liefeld, who, lest we forget, is the son and grandson of ordained ministers: his spirituality.



Story by Liefeld, script by Robert Napton, pencils by Ed Benes.











I fear that proper context might ruin the purity of all this, but nonetheless, here's the explanation of what you just saw:



The comic also has a letter from Liefeld to his readers about his departure from Image:

Date: 2009-07-15 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitty_tc_69.insanejournal.com
This is sooo offensive to pagans. And hell, anyone who actually respects what Jesus himself stood for. Even when he lived, people wanted him to lead a violent revolution, to "kick ass", and he taught peace, love, and endurance instead. And some of them killed him for it.

Nowadays, with him out of the way and no longer able to speak for himself, modern equivalents of those same violence-craving war-seekers turn his image to their cause of bigotry, xenophobia, revolution and civil war, judgementalism, hatred, social discord, war, and death.

One could easily be led to think that if they do meet him in the next world, they'll be quite unpleasantly surprised by what he has to say to them.

Date: 2009-07-15 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] besamim.insanejournal.com
I believe it was Arsenio Hall who once said that at the Second Coming Jesus's first words would be (*growly voice*) "Where's Jerry Falwell?!"

Date: 2009-07-15 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smarmyimp.insanejournal.com
Actually, this particular (ridiculous) situation might not fall under Jesus' previously established boundaries of his particular brand of pacifism.

After all, in all Jesus' dealings of refusing to fight or refusing to lead a revolution were in the matters of man against man. Mortals exercising their free will against one another.

In this situation, Jesus is now faced with a bunch of false gods who want to fly in the face of free will and subjugate man, to take away man's right to choose. Remember, for Jehovah and Jesus, while a human can turn away from God's way and there will still be a price to pay later, that's later, and it's still the human's choice. If you did something these gods didn't like, them killing you on the spot is probably one of the more merciful fates awaiting you.

Jesus is not faced with mortals made by and granted grace by the Father, he's faced with callous immortals trying to take away that grace. Him kicking a little heathen deity ass is not necessarily sacrilegious.

As for offending pagans... Iiiiii don't know, I'm guessing that Rob figured he was pretty safe from offending anyone who worships this particular pantheon, since chances are they're either a few thousand years dead or 99.9% composed of rebellious posers who considered themselves much too individual to follow the fad of worshiping Egyptian gods and invented a deep spiritual connection with Artemis instead.

Date: 2009-07-15 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khamelea.insanejournal.com
"Iiiiii don't know, I'm guessing that Rob figured he was pretty safe from offending anyone who worships this particular pantheon, since chances are they're either a few thousand years dead or 99.9% composed of rebellious posers who considered themselves much too individual to follow the fad of worshiping Egyptian gods and invented a deep spiritual connection with Artemis instead."

That's not "feeling safe from offending", that's "feeling free to offend."

Date: 2009-07-15 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smarmyimp.insanejournal.com
Don't hex me, bro!

Date: 2009-07-16 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitty_tc_69.insanejournal.com
This is so offensive I don't even know where to start. I am not a "rebellious poser", and my goddess is Gaia. Other pagans I have known who have chosen god or goddess representations from this pantheon aren't either. How about you not call other people "rebellious posers" and I won't call you a "narrow-minded holier-than-thou sheep", sound fair to you?

(frozen)

Date: 2009-07-16 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smarmyimp.insanejournal.com
I am not a "rebellious poser"

Then why did you assume I was talking about you?

How about you not call other people "rebellious posers" and I won't call you a "narrow-minded holier-than-thou sheep", sound fair to you?

Oh noooooes, I might be called mean things on teh internets!

(frozen)

Date: 2009-07-16 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitty_tc_69.insanejournal.com
Or, alternately, you might recognize the idea that insulting other people's religions isn't cool. That was the hope, anyhow.

(frozen)

Date: 2009-07-16 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smarmyimp.insanejournal.com
Strong words from someone who worships Whoopi Goldberg.

See, the thing is, I wasn't insulting anyone's religion. I was insulting posers. I was insulting people whose requirements for a "religion" be that it is non-mainstream and suitably vague enough that they can have its "traditions" and values mean whatever they wanted to mean. There are many of these people out there. People who claim they worship the Egyptian pantheon, because Anubis is hawt. People who claim they worship gods who are more famous for their Dungeons & Dragons incarnations than any actual religion formed around them. People who believe stuff that the original practitioners admit "Yeah, I just made that shit up." People who think Neil Gaiman has written down exactly how the universe really works. People who claim to believe in crap they looked up on the internet because it's an easy way to a victim complex and snarling that teh Xtians are oppressin' dem.

You were the one who decided that I was lumping you in with the 99.9% of people worshiping a pantheon that, uh, your goddess isn't actually included in, to the best of my knowledge. You could have thought to yourself "Oh, well, I really believe. I'm the 0.1%. Because really there are a lot of fakes and posers out there."

But no, you had to go off on a little victimization crusade and claim that an agnostic was trying to be holier than you, and immediately jump right to foamy raeg because how dare someone not psychically predetermine what your beliefs were and just what statements regarding them might make you take offense. Why, it's almost as if you were in fact a poser and getting a little defensive because you perceived that you were being called on it. But naaaah, you have a firm and true belief in a vague concept of the planet's spirit, why would you immediately leap to victimization, insults, and snappishness?

Also, way to provide a good example for your faith. GUD JERB!!!

(frozen)

Date: 2009-07-16 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitty_tc_69.insanejournal.com
At this point I'm just going to step back and let the moderators handle you.

(frozen)

Date: 2009-07-16 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smarmyimp.insanejournal.com
Will they be wearing elemental rings? 'Cause that might be awesome.

(frozen) Third Strike

Date: 2009-07-17 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schmevil.insanejournal.com
Your behaviour in this thread is completely unacceptable (http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/profile#ETHOS).

This is your THIRD STRIKE (http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/profile#DISCIPLINE). You have now been banned from Scans Daily.

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