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Ewww Thinker.....anyway, Suicide Squad's review embargo was lifted and......

Movie review: Suicide Squad is as weird and messy as the characters in it

Suicide Squad isn’t even the good kind of bad:

Jared Leto's awful Joker is like Scarface meets Jim Carrey. Our Suicide Squad review:

Reviews are...mixed to say the least. Basically what they are saying is:

- Harley gets sexualized to the upteenth degree and is the target of misogyny.
- The one native character Slipknot, played by Adam Beach is practically irrelevant and is used to "make an example of" meaning.....he dies.
- Katana is just there....and doesn't have much to do.
- Lots of praise for Viola Davis's Waller
- Jared Leto is the literal worst (did you expect anything decent?) and is in the film for maybe 7 minutes tops.
- Killer Croc is turned into a racist stereotype. Like Katana, he does not get much to do. (At one point he mentions wanting to watch BET.....*sigh*)
- Jai Courtney continues to be the Sam Worthington of films....meaning he is a flop.
- This seething shot at Enchantress: "Here is a film in which model-turned-actress Cara Delevingne gives not only a personal worst performance, but something close to a former-profession-worst performance, as a gyrating, bikini-clad villainess called Enchantress, who kisses men full on the lips to turn them into her slaves (of course!) and talks like Vanessa Redgrave on rhinoceros tranquilizer."

Really disappointing...what a mess.

Date: 2016-08-02 11:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] supermanda
omfg amazing

Date: 2016-08-04 09:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Holy crap, all this time I thought Iago was just being very sarcastic and saying, "that surprise."


Date: 2016-08-02 09:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] informationgeek
- The one native character Slipknot, played by Adam Beach is practically irrelevant and is used to "make an example of" meaning.....he dies.

Considering how little he was in the trailers, not surprised.

I'll check it out this Friday regardless and report back.

Date: 2016-08-02 09:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flint_marko
I'm not expecting the movie to be that good.

That being said...

Slipknot's fate is taken straight from the comics, though maybe it would have been better if they had made another character Native instead?

I think it was obvious that the Joker was going to have a smaller role to set up for later movies, but I doubt he only appeared for seven minutes unless they just rushed through Harley's origin.

I heard that Jai is underused, but I don't think that makes him a flop.

Date: 2016-08-02 10:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Slipknot only lost an arm in the comics, he didn't actually die... so already it's not looking good.

That 35% on Rotten Tomatoes is not encouraging either. I mean, I'll see a bad movie if it's a good kind of bad, but... I am not eager at the moment. I really, really wanted to be excited about this, but these reviews and reactions are not helping.

Date: 2016-08-02 11:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flint_marko
does anyone really care about Slipknot, though? Even if he only got an arm blown off, what are the chances he would show up in another movie?

Date: 2016-08-03 12:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miss_abnormal
The problem with this particular character death is that he was Native, part of a group of people that are extremely underrepresented in movies and TV shows (and if they are represented every now and then, it's usually in a stereotypical way). This death is just continuing a pattern that should have stopped a long time ago (or, better yet, never have started in the first place).

(I'll admit that I suspected he was going to die since 2015 because he was the least promoted character of them all)

Date: 2016-08-03 12:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flint_marko
I think the solution would have been to make one of the bigger characters Native instead of giving it to the cannon fodder, since Slipknot wasn't Native in the comics.

I'm wondering if they deliberately casted for a Native in the role, or if the actor they chose just happened to be one.

Date: 2016-08-03 12:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miss_abnormal
Whether they casted him for being Native or it was just coincidence, this still shows a huge tone deafness from the director and casting agents.

And yeah, giving him a bigger role would have made things better. What would worry me then (seeing what people are saying about Killer Croc and Katana) is if they would end up treating him like a stereotype.

Date: 2016-08-03 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Quick question - why is him being Native American important to the film? Did he die because he was Native, or was he someone that died who happened to be Native?

Date: 2016-08-03 06:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flint_marko
It's not important to the film, they just don't like how there are so few native characters in movies and television, and the only native character here is basically used for cannon fodder. I mean, just compare his character trailer with the others, he's the only one who doesn't get any speaking lines. (all the character trailers, for comparison)

This is taking into account how the cast and crew praised the movie for being diverse and multiethnic, with Slipknot's actor being used as one of the examples.

Date: 2016-08-02 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ebailey140
Warner is incapable of building a film franchise that isn't Harry Potter. Now, we can safely assume the Wonder Woman movie will be horrible, and they've gotten too far into Justice League to stop production.

So, just cut the Justice League budget so they don't lose too much, scrap any other movie plans, release all actors signed to multi-film deals from their contracts, and sell movie rights to studios that can make good superhero movies.

Date: 2016-08-02 11:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flint_marko
Considering what's happening with Marvel and Fox right now, I can't really see Warners selling the movie rights to anybody else.

Date: 2016-08-02 10:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
I wasn't planning on watching this one but if I was, I think I would pass. Maybe it'll become a game to try and guess just how bad the current DC movieverse films are gonna be.

I still say if by some miracle the Wonder Woman film is good, it'll be the ultimate irony if after 76 years of shabby treatment and male executives declaring that women can't carry a movie as the lead, her movie saves DC's bacon.

Date: 2016-08-02 11:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
It's like DC is Bizarro Marvel. They do everything opposite, including make a good movie.

Date: 2016-08-02 11:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] informationgeek
What their TV shows though? They seem to be equal there. They got both good and lesser good shows.

Date: 2016-08-02 11:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
If I had to compare? Marvel still tops them. The Netflix shows alone blow the rest out of the water. And I say that as someone who likes The Flash show. Admittedly, it's a closer race. No pun intended.
Edited Date: 2016-08-02 11:51 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-08-03 12:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I've only seen the first season of Daredevil but with the exception of the Kingpin I think Gotham is a superior show. It feels at times like a quintessential Batman adaptation and that's factoring in that he's not even in it. DD feels like the type of show where the creators were ashamed of having to do a superhero story. Like why have the Owl if he's just going to be some old guy with no connection to the actual character?

Date: 2016-08-03 02:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wizardru
They're not ashamed of it, they're doing a grounded take. The tone is different than four-color, but fairly faithful to the material they're actually adapting, which is based heavily on Miller and Bendis' runs on the comic. Given the nature of the MCU, it's as superheroic as the rest of that universe, generally.

It's also worth noting that the second season leans much more heavily into the Superheroics. It features things like Daredevil and Elektra fighting a metric ton of ninjas and supernatural badguys as they slowly back into the mystical end of the MCU.

Gotham is not for me, personally.

Date: 2016-08-03 02:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
It's faithful but they took twelve episodes to get where Miller did in four issues. Kingpin had a character arc that made sense but with DD I would have given him the costume halfway through.

I guess what bums me is DD could have made a great MCU movie. The other Netflix characters not so much so DD was used as the 'launching' point for them. We could have had DD and Spider-Man teaming up to face Kingpin at one point but that will probably never happen given how the movies seem to be segregated from television.

Date: 2016-08-03 01:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I've heard good things about the Joker. The tattoos aside Leto seems to have killed it. IDG the hate for him.

Date: 2016-08-03 01:34 am (UTC)
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I think the promotion of the movie has wound up working against him. The studio tried to cash in on the post-Heath Ledger mystique of the role by putting the promotional spotlight on Leto's Joker, making a big deal of how he was going method and it was such a psychologically intense process, and the whole thing backfired. The "news"/hype cycle took over and we got months of articles and anecdotes about abusive and inappropriate behavior towards his castmates, a lack of professionalism, and Leto generally acting like something of an ass.

Of course that may not mean a thing about the actual quality of Leto's performance, and mainstream audience may not care, but it certainly tinted how critics and other "informed" people were going to receive him. I suspect that there's an element of "This is it? All that crap, and this is the payoff?" to the complaints.
Edited Date: 2016-08-03 01:38 am (UTC)

Date: 2016-08-03 08:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tugrul
Jared Leto has a personality that I love when I go to see 30 Seconds to Mars, but cringe whenever I see an interview. Like listening to a borderline Kanye West.

Date: 2016-08-03 10:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] panelsarewindows
What doesn't make sense to me is that we have all these reports of him doing "crazy" and pretty creepy stuff on set with all the cast members... But apparently he barely interacts with any of them in the film. From what I've heard at least, it just seems like a complete waste of time.

Date: 2016-08-03 11:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
It says something that the "Will Smith does not like Jared Leto because of weird shit he did on set" headlines which did the rounds recently are actually fake, but seem entirely believable.

Date: 2016-08-03 04:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mizerous
DCEU is screwed...

Date: 2016-08-03 07:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] skinrash
Not surprised. The trailers and character designs reek of forced attempt to be as edgy, modern and contemporary as possible. Trying to cater to various demographics, female characters in slutty clothing, references to popular media etc. Sounds like they are making all the mistakes of mid-to late 90s comic-based films all over again, instead of just trying to be classic and timeless.

Date: 2016-08-03 10:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate

What do you mean by that?

If I may play the Villain's Advocate

Date: 2016-08-03 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I'm presuming how Harley Quinn and Enchantress wear revealing, provocative clothing (if even that) bringing unnecessary attention to their sexual organs and erogenous zones - if I remember correctly, Margot Robbie's shorts were so short they were digitally lengthened post-production.

Date: 2016-08-03 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Recent movies like 'Man of Steel', 'Batman v. Superman' or 'Ghostbusters (2016)' are really weird in how polarising they are - one either likes or dislikes the film with little to no middle ground, and there aren't a lot of things people agree on should they fall in either camp. I'm presuming this to be one of those kinds of films, considering early audience reactions and Jeremy Jahns' review.

On a slightly more related note, why wasn't the Enchantress character Poison Ivy? She has almost all the tropes associated with her character (her looks, clothing, connection to Nature, enthralling people via kisses), not to mention that, according to reviewers (I am unfamiliar with the originsl Character), doesn't really resemble her presentation in the comics. Plus, there are already some Batman characters in the movie (including Batman himself).

Also, in what way is Killer Croc offensive? Is there some stereotype against people with Harlequin-type Ichthyosis, or is there something else?
Edited Date: 2016-08-03 03:23 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-08-03 03:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Judging by the BET thing, I'm guessing he's a stereotypical angry black man.

Date: 2016-08-03 05:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flint_marko
I think him mentioning to want to watch BET is the only time his race is really mentioned.

Date: 2016-08-03 05:26 pm (UTC)
flint_marko: (Default)
From: [personal profile] flint_marko
They really changed how Enchantress looks, but her origin in the movie of being possessed by a powerful magical force is pretty close to what happened to her in the comics.

This article talks about her role in the movie, and the same storyline wouldn't really work with Ivy.

Date: 2016-08-03 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
My apologies, then, for I was speaking as someone who has not watched the movie and is unfamiliar with the original character.

Date: 2016-08-04 07:57 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Enchantress was a regular in the early issues of the 1980's Suicide Squad comic. Then she lost her powers.

Poison Ivy was the regular female "villain" in the later issues of that run, from "The Phoenix Gambit" forward. It sounds like they mashed up the two.

Come to think of it, Duchess was the regular "bad girl" in between the two. If they manage to make movie!June a thematic mashup of Enchantress, Ivy, and Duchess, I will give them points.

Date: 2016-08-03 03:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Jesus, now I'm worried about the Wonder Woman movie.

Date: 2016-08-03 03:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miss_abnormal
Not just if her movie is good or not, but that she now carries the weight of the entire DCEU franchise on her shoulders: if she fails to at least have an average of positive reviews, entitled sexist men will start declaring how women can't actually lead their own movies and now they have destroyed a franchise and it's all women's fault.

Then again, if Wonder Woman is a success, it will be one of the biggest punches in the face to all of those entitled sexist men in movie history.
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Who are these sexist men you're talking about, might I ask?
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From: [personal profile] miss_abnormal
By that I mean men that immediately push aside women-lead films (to the point to the mere possibility of them being made) by saying things such as "women can't do this because their not funny enough" or "interesting enough" or anything of the like. I wasn't thinking specifically about Ghostbusters when I wrote that comment, just in general.

After the Catwoman and Elektra movies turned into critical bombs, movie studios began thinking that their failure was mainly do to the main characters being women. Just last year, a leaked e-mail showed that Sony Studios executive Michael Lynton and Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter were talking about how there couldn't be a Black Widow movie because Catwoman, Elektra and Supergirl (1980s) failed. In the video game world, Ubisoft kept saying that they couldn't have an Assassin's Creed with a female protagonist because they were "too hard to animate" as a flimsy excuse (a former Ubisoft/Assassin's Creed animator proved them wrong). Nintendo said that they couldn't have a female protagonist in the Zelda games because then "what would Link do?" (as if there always needs to be a male hero for a quest-game like LoZ to work). Disney didn't even bother to order the making of Rey toys for Star Wars. A Nancy Drew TV series was rejected by CBS because it was "too female". People got angry at the Elementary TV series because Watson was changed to an Asian woman (when both Sherlock and Watson have been depicted in a varying of ways before in different time periods, including as animals). Some criticize Steven Universe for having too many women and not enough men (when the other way has existed for decades in different mediums). And these are just a few examples that come immediately to mind.

There are people that simply don't believe female-lead movies (and I guess I should emphasize here that I mean action/fantasy/sci-fi/adventure/thriller/etc films and comedies) can be good simply because of the gender of the protagonist. While male-lead films can have multiple failures each year, nobody starts thinking that we should stop making male-lead films. But when it happens with female-lead ones, it's a whole different story.

Is it getting better? Yes, it is. Slowly, more and more stories with female protagonists are being told. But the backlash has been prominent (in the case of Ghostbusters: misogynistic insults towards the cast members, the threats against the director's wife from a few months back, and the extremely racist Twitter ambush against Leslie Jones).

These are the men (and, yes, there are women who also think like this) that I'm talking about.
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Thank you for your lengthy, well-articulated response and helping me better understand your viewpoint, but there are still some things I'm a bit confused on.

-Wasn't the whole 'Female Characters' for Assassin's Creed: Unity in regards to co-op (where they would have been clones of the main protagonist anyways)? I mean, there are lots of female characters and protagonists (both playable and not) that do all the things the Assassins can do (namely parkour and combat excellence. While notvideo games, the current series from Titan is about a young woman.

-Didn't Rey have her own Disney: InfINity and LEGO figurines, or are you strictly talking about Action Figures and Dolls?

-Wasn't the 'What would Link do?' comment more in reference to the lore and story of the series (namely with the Triforce, where Zelda holds arguably the most passive trait of the other two pieces)?
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From: [personal profile] miss_abnormal
-Ubisoft's "too hard to animate" excuses came about when people started asking them why they didn't include playable female protagonists in Assassin's Creed Unity. The implementation of a co-op Assassin's Creed Syndicate with a brother and sister seems to either be in response to the criticisms Ubisoft received or because Ubisoft planned it all along (or maybe both) ( ( Either way, Ubisoft's reaction to fans' questioning of AC Unity was the major source of criticism. It seems that the "too hard to animate" excuse was also used for another Ubisoft game: Far Cry 4, which is composed of a different animation team (

I couldn't find anything about the Titan series (the only things that kept coming up on Google were Attack on Titan and a cancelled Titan game from Blizzard that later turned into Overwatch). Could you specify which series you're talking about?

-In this case, I was talking about the total exclusion of Hasbro Rey figures and of a Rey Star Wars Monopoly figurine. Toy vendors were specifically told exclude these toys because "No boy wants to be given a product with a female character on it" (; this implies that all girls are expected to relate to all manner of fictional boys/men (or that girls aren't even expected to like these type of stories at all) while boys are incapable of relating to fictional girls/women.

I checked out what the Disney Infinity and LEGO figurines you mentioned: the former seems to have produced Rey toys, but the accompanying online game did not show Rey using a lightsaber or any manner of Jedi/Force powers throughout the entirety of the playable game (she only holds a lightsaber during an unplayable cinematic cut scene, it seems). Meanwhile, male characters like Luke, Anakin and Finn got to use the lightsaber (

I didn't find anything wrong with the LEGO Rey figures, so they're ok as far as I know.

-From what I found, the whole Triforce lore was part of the decision. However, Wisdom doesn't automatically mean passiveness. If that were true, then Zelda shouldn't have been able to even assist Link in fighting Ganondorf in both Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker. Zelda, if she were the protagonist, could fight, or they could have just switched it around (have Zelda as Courage or Link as Wisdom). Or, they could make the Courage holder female instead of male. Specifying the Triforce roles to genders creates a whole set of other problems (are they implying that women can't be courageous or powerful? If we're going with Wisdom=passivity, are they implying that women can only be passive, or that men can't be passive? And those sort of things).

(EDIT: I accidentally posted an incomplete version of this reply; this is the edited/complete one)
Edited Date: 2016-08-03 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Assassin's Creed: Syndicate has two playable characters, but I don't think the game has any multiplayer component. Plus, the Assassin's Creed franchise's focus on genetic memory and linear storytelling prevents deep customisation outside of clothing changes, and the co-op partners in Assassin's Creed: Unity are just other people playing the same character in different clothes so gender changing wouldn't make much sense unless Arno (said character) was a woman.

In any case, here is the comic I was talking about (I think there are two at the moment, but this is the one I mentioned above).

"Specifying the Triforce roles to genders creates a whole set of other problems (are they implying that women can't be courageous or powerful? If we're going with Wisdom=passivity, are they implying that women can only be passive, or that men can't be passive? And those sort of things)."
Based on Skyward Sword, I think the Triforce roles are more based on reincarnation and specific individuals than gender roles (think Bioshock: Infinite's 'Constants and Variables' speech - in this case, no matter what the situation, Link will always represent Courage, Zelda is Wisdom and Demise/Ganondorf is Power).
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From: [personal profile] miss_abnormal
-From what I understood, AC Syndicate lets the player interchange between the brother and the sister in most missions (as in, the player has the option to choose to play one or the other).

And, oohhh, I thought that Unity was a group of different and individual characters working together or something like that. But still, Ubisoft's reaction to fans' questioning wasn't exactly the best one. If they had said something like "we'll have female characters in the next game" or "we're hearing what you're saying and we'll work on it" or something like that instead of putting the fault on a woman's physical appearance, I doubt people would have reacted as negatively as they did.

-Ok, I read up on the Skyward Sword reincarnation/Triforce lore and from what I understand is that Link will always be Courage and the hero, Zelda will be Wisdom and the guide, and Ganondorf will be Power and the constant enemy of Zelda and Link.

Half of my argument does fall on this new (for me) knowledge, but the part of a female Link still stands: as long as 'Link' is Courage and the hero, a female Link could work (or, a male Zelda and/or female Ganondorf, although I'll admit that it would be hard to do that with Ganon because technically every Ganon is the same Ganon from previous games/timelines). I checked the quote from Nintendo again and they only specify that Zelda couldn't be the main character because of the Triforce balance and not just any kind of female character. I checked if there are religions that believe that the soul that was in the body of a man in one life can reincarnate in the body of a woman in the next, but I couldn't find anything as concrete (Hinduism is a 'sort of' kind of situation, from what I understand) or regular (as in, it isn't an exception to the rule), but Nintendo could just make up a new reincarnation-believing religion/reality for the game. For any fictional world, the sky is the limit, even when certain things have already been established like in LoZ.

(And thanks for the link!)

Date: 2016-08-04 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Or maybe it won't even matter how good it is, because reviewers with axes to grind will go in with enough biases to already have an opinion!


Seriously, we can expect that Wonder Woman is not going to be great. It looks like it's going to be an imitation of "Captain America: The First Avenger" with clunky attempts at feminist dialogue. If it's mediocre, it's mediocre. If it's really bad, very few people will blame that movie for being especially bad, because the standard set by Warner's recent superhero movies is already so low.

Date: 2016-08-04 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
- Harley gets sexualized to the upteenth degree and is the target of misogyny.

- The one native character Slipknot, played by Adam Beach is practically irrelevant and is used to "make an example of" meaning.....he dies.
Well, that's...sort of consistent with the source material.

- Katana is just there....and doesn't have much to do.
I'm not surprised. Big cast. And Tatsu's not even really a Squaddie in the comics, usually.

- Lots of praise for Viola Davis's Waller
So, that's good, right?

- Jared Leto is the literal worst (did you expect anything decent?) and is in the film for maybe 7 minutes tops.
Good to hear. I don't want to watch a Joker movie.

- Killer Croc is turned into a racist stereotype. Like Katana, he does not get much to do. (At one point he mentions wanting to watch BET.....*sigh*)
That's...odd. Maybe the filmmakers were afraid audiences wouldn't recognize he was black?

- Jai Courtney continues to be the Sam Worthington of films....meaning he is a flop.
That's non-specific enough to mean nothing to me.

- This seething shot at Enchantress: "Here is a film in which model-turned-actress Cara Delevingne gives not only a personal worst performance, but something close to a former-profession-worst performance, as a gyrating, bikini-clad villainess called Enchantress, who kisses men full on the lips to turn them into her slaves (of course!) and talks like Vanessa Redgrave on rhinoceros tranquilizer."
So, they gave her Ivy's early-1990's powerset? OK, whatever.

Yeah, I think this is all reassuring, actually. If they didn''t pack it with Joker crap, and they didn't screw up Tatsu too much...yeah, I can deal with this.

Date: 2016-08-06 07:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaxjyls
I thought it was fine

Date: 2016-08-06 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] beardedjellybean
Hype definitely didn't help at all. I saw it last night and while it really didn't live up to some of its expectations, it's not awful just basically an ok film.

Narrative is probably it's other big weakness, you can tell where the reshooting happened.

And Leto's Joker was built up as this depraved monster of a psychopath who was this really dark interpratation of the character........ when he really is just kinda there without making an impact. I didn't expect a great deal from anyone who had to follow on from Ledger's strong performance, and Leto's just a bit of a letdown in general.

It does a little better at lightening the mood in comparison to BvS but the hype train definitely didn't reach the station.


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