Date: 2017-01-21 08:19 pm (UTC)
informationgeek: (RainbowDash)
From: [personal profile] informationgeek
....wha? What just happened at the end? Also, Wasp's butt, because that's what this final page needs even more of!
Edited Date: 2017-01-21 08:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-01-21 08:29 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
IIRC, Ultron took over Iron Man's armor and reshaped it to look like Jan because mommy issues.

Date: 2017-01-21 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Ultron took over Tony's body and turned him into a woman.
Because... dunno. Maybe Ultron wanted to see what it's like.

Or maybe someone really needed some fresh air they weren't getting.

Date: 2017-01-21 09:30 pm (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Frank Cho. Classy to the last.

Date: 2017-01-21 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Boy, all that stuff with Mole Man sure amounted to absolutely jack-all.

All things considered, this team is astoundingly bland.
I don't know if it's the uniformity of their costumes, their lack of personalities, or the fact that everyone's white...

Also, the Cho art. Just... the Cho art.

Date: 2017-01-21 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Wait, you're saying that a team designed only to be strong isn't interesting?

That's...super obvious. Not surprised Bendis missed it, but still.

Date: 2017-01-22 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
The team has Carol Danvers, Wasp and Black Widow.
In the hands of a competent writer, all three of them should have enough basic charisma to sustain a team book for a handful of issues, even with the massive drag factors of Mid-00s Iron Man, Sentry and Wonder Man.
(Whoop, almost wrote "Wonder Woman" there...)

It's just that as written by Bendis, all the characters are almost completely without personality, and what personality they do seem to have is unpleasant.
Add to that the extremely limited colouring going on (Ms. Marvel - Black and yellow, Wasp - Black and yellow, Black Widow - Black, Sentry - Yellow and blue, Ares - Mostly black, Iron Man - Red and gold, Wonder Man - Red, later Red and BLACK)...
They're visually boring to look at, even without the ceaseless effort Cho puts into putting their asses into every page.

Date: 2017-01-22 04:43 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (wonder woman (batb--fight))
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
(Whoop, almost wrote "Wonder Woman" there...)

I kept reading 'Wonder Man' as 'Wonder Woman', ha! :)

Date: 2017-01-21 08:31 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Oh God... the Bendis thought bubbles...

Date: 2017-01-21 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Oh, they get so much worse in later issues.
Just wait 'till Hank Pym shows up.

Date: 2017-01-21 08:39 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Believe me, I know. I'm just trying to actively repress all memory of them.

Date: 2017-01-21 08:44 pm (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
One of the things I hate most from Bendis's era of the Avengers is the idea that the team "needs" a Wolverine-type, someone who won't hesitate to make th hard call, the kill call.

To me, that's the last thing the Avengers need (or most teams for that matter). When did teams and heroes finding a third option become passé?

Date: 2017-01-22 12:24 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
When WATCHMEN and DARK KNIGHT RETURNS became popular, mixed with "Wolverine on the team gets us more readers because Market Oversaturation isn't a thing."

Date: 2017-01-22 01:02 am (UTC)
zylly: (Some kind of demonic duck!)
From: [personal profile] zylly
Yeah, that would have been the start of it. And around the time they added Logan to the New Avengers was when it really hit the big time.

Date: 2017-01-22 07:24 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
And yet, it was a popular enough decision that it is a standard now to have an anti-hero on the team.

Date: 2017-01-23 01:19 am (UTC)
zylly: (Atomic Robo Twitch)
From: [personal profile] zylly
My favorite variation upon that was in Matt Fraction's short-lived series, The Order, where the would-be badass longer member of the team was, by far, the least effective.

Date: 2017-01-21 09:34 pm (UTC)
beyondthefringe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
So instead of approaching Ares in a polite manner at home or after work, they show up at his job, blow his civilian identity, and threaten to arrest or deport him if he doesn't sign up. Kinda dickish there, eh? There have got to be better ways to handle this.

And how does Tony survive being "morphed" from Iron Man into Ultron Jan? Physics and biology, pfffft. It's been ages, I don't care to remember how this was resolved.

Date: 2017-01-21 09:53 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
-So instead of approaching Ares in a polite manner at home or after work, they show up at his job, blow his civilian identity, and threaten to arrest or deport him if he doesn't sign up. Kinda dickish there, eh? There have got to be better ways to handle this.-

On the one hand, agreed... on the other hand, it *is* Ares who does actually respect bluster and stuff.

Date: 2017-01-22 07:25 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Wasn't Ares a villain before all this?

Date: 2017-01-21 10:30 pm (UTC)
ozaline: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ozaline
I thought not engaging in heroics and being a civilian was an okay option under the legislation.

Date: 2017-01-21 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mindsweeper
Ares probably doesn't have a work visa, which is why Tony said that he would deport him to Olympus.

Date: 2017-01-21 10:59 pm (UTC)
ozaline: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ozaline
So they're strong-arming an undocumented worker with an American child into a profession he doesn't want?

That's soooo much better.
Edited Date: 2017-01-21 10:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-01-22 01:04 am (UTC)
zylly: (Hypothetical Situation)
From: [personal profile] zylly
That really seemed to vary from book to book. Some of the books, like Avengers Initiative, treated it more like a super-powers draft.

The lack of internal consistency on these important, universe defining points, was frustrating to the max.

Date: 2017-01-26 02:31 pm (UTC)
dr_archeville: Doctor Arkeville (Default)
From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
IIRC, the SHRA said anyone who had powers, or who had ever acted as a costumed vigilante, had to register (or get Negative Zone'd).

Date: 2017-01-22 08:06 am (UTC)
shakalooloo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
And here Bendis completely forgets that Zeus is currently dead in the Marvel Universe, killed in Ares' own miniseries, no less! Quite a big oversight, and it crops up again a few issues later when Doom cites the potential wrath of Zeus as the only reason he doesn't have the Mighty Avengers all killed!

And does Mole Man really seem the type to use the phrase 'come at me'? How long before one of the characters asks 'what's the play, here?' Bah, Bendispeak!

Date: 2017-01-22 07:27 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Or "I'm telling you ".

Date: 2017-01-22 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
Tony goes the God of War, threatens him and tells him what he would do to fight him. That kind of assumes that Ares lets him walk away from that conversation

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