Date: 2017-02-05 12:26 am (UTC)
cygnia: (uh-uh)
From: [personal profile] cygnia
Watcher: I AM THE WATCHER AND IT IS REQUIRED THAT THROUGHOUT THE MULTIVERSES THAT PETER PARKER MUST KNOW ANGST!

Date: 2017-02-05 12:52 am (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
"I AM FURY, THE UNSEEN, AND I HEARTILY AGREE WITH MY PREDECESSOR THAT THIS KID IS A WHINY LITTLE IDIOT AND NEEDS TO BE MADE MISERABLE TO KEEP THE WORLD SPINNING."

Date: 2017-02-05 12:37 am (UTC)
commodus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] commodus
I just love the image of a fully-costumed Green Goblin casually walking down the street angrily monologuing to himself.

Date: 2017-02-05 02:19 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
I'm saving "An unwitting foil in a ghastly comic jest!" for the next time I'm on hold with Comcast.

Date: 2017-02-05 12:40 am (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
This is really OOC for Jonah IMO.

Also Pete it's your fault Ock knocked the rubble off the building in the first place.

Date: 2017-02-05 01:49 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Jesus Troll (jesustroll)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Pretty sure Ock was probably committing criminal acts at the time. Death in commission of felony applies, making Ock responsible for unintentional deaths that happen in the course of his actions.

Date: 2017-02-05 01:58 am (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
In term of legal acts Peter was acting as a vigilante at the time so at minimum he'd be culpable for criminally negligent homicide given that it was his actions the lead to Otto losing control of his tentacles.

Date: 2017-02-05 02:31 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (nonbelievers)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Hm, I can't remember the exact circumstances of the issue. However, the criminality of vigilantism is pretty limited.

Private citizens may use force and violence to defend their lives and their property, and in some instances the lives and property of others, but they must do so under the specific circumstances allowed by the law if they wish to avoid being prosecuted for a crime themselves. Private individuals may also make "citizen arrests," but the circumstances in which the law authorizes them to do so are very narrow. Citizens are often limited to making arrests for felonies committed in their presence.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Vigilantism

Date: 2017-02-05 02:47 am (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Yes but if in doing so you cause the death of someone else you're held culpable.

I.e. If a criminal is on the run in a car and you shoot out his tires and he spins off and hits someone it's on you. That's basically what happened here.

Edit: To recap what happened Peter used a special type of webbing so Otto would lose control of his tentacles. The tentacles began stacking Otto and knocking debris off the building and one of the pieces hit Stacy.
Edited Date: 2017-02-05 02:49 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-05 02:17 am (UTC)
freezer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] freezer
This is OOC for Modern Jonah. Steve Ditko's JJJ would've been dickish and short-sighted enough to pull that stunt.

Date: 2017-02-05 02:31 am (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
But would Ditko's Robbie have had the balls to do what he did here? Peeved as I am that, even in what looked to be another "happy ending" variety of What-If, Peter still has to be hounded... I silently cheered at the moment this version of Robbie finally told old-school JJJ where to stick his vendetta and walked out.

Date: 2017-02-05 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Well, given Robbie wasn't introduced until John Romita Senior was on art... probably not?

Date: 2017-02-05 05:42 am (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
Aha. That renders my question moot.

Date: 2017-02-05 03:42 am (UTC)
richardak: (Default)
From: [personal profile] richardak
Wasn't JJJ trying to do exactly this, unmask Spider-Man and have him arrested, for years?

Date: 2017-02-05 03:59 am (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Yeah but he also genuinely cares about Pete so I don't think he'd ruin him if he actually did find out.

Date: 2017-02-05 06:24 am (UTC)
richardak: (Default)
From: [personal profile] richardak
He genuinely cared about Peter? I don't remember that at all from back then.

Date: 2017-02-05 06:09 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
He did. Peter would several times how Jonah was a decent guy underneath his exterior even if he didn't show it. One of the reasons why Jonah was so betrayed when Peter unmasked as Spider-Man was because he felt Peter was one of the few people left he could trust.

Date: 2017-02-05 02:20 am (UTC)
beyondthefringe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Was there ever a follow-up to this story? Because that's a hell of a cliffhanger to leave us on.

Date: 2017-02-05 03:42 am (UTC)
richardak: (Default)
From: [personal profile] richardak
As far as I know, What-Ifs back then never had sequels.

Date: 2017-02-05 06:26 am (UTC)
richardak: (Default)
From: [personal profile] richardak
I did not know that. I still that that was the exception, not the rule. The problem with doing a sequel to a what-if is that it risks turning into an entire alternate continuity, and I don't think Marvel back up for that (not that I have any inside information or anything, it's just my impression). I think they got rid of their Ultimate Universe, so they seem to have some doubts about it now.

Date: 2017-02-05 07:08 am (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
There's been a handful of What If sequels, (What If Spider-Man joined the Fantastic Four, What If Wolverine was Lord of the Vampires, and a few others) though they're the exception rather than the rule. Marvel actually did try spinning a What If off into its own continuity - MC2, which is where May Parker as Spider-Girl came from.

MC2 never worked very well beyond Spider-Girl, though. Anyone remember J2, about Juggernaut's son, or Wild Thing, the daughter of Wolverine and Elektra with psionic claws?

Date: 2017-02-05 08:08 am (UTC)
richardak: (Default)
From: [personal profile] richardak
I was aware of Mayday Parker, but not the others. But wasn't all that much later?

Date: 2017-02-05 01:31 pm (UTC)
liliaeth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] liliaeth
I actually really liked J2, and A Next wasn't all that bad either.

Date: 2017-02-06 06:55 am (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
I honestly never read an issue of J2. I think I took one look at his grunge-style plaid shirt around his waist and decided to pass.

A Next I was impressed by for not just using the A-Listers. It was a hoot seeing Bill Foster's son and Monica Rambeau's daughter get to be importany.

Date: 2017-02-05 03:37 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
Wow, this would be a great place to pick up from... where's that spin-off, Marvel?

Date: 2017-02-05 05:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mizerous
Peter: Being Spider-Man is suffering.

Date: 2017-02-05 10:21 am (UTC)
stubbleupdate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
Surely the answer to What If Gwen Stacy had lived would be that she would be looking after her twins

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