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"There are certain editors you work with where you end up playing that game of, basically, writing over their heads… and for me, that was never more true than my last year on Superman." -- Joe Casey

















Date: 2017-02-07 09:16 am (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
It feels weird for Lois to be talking to Superman on a phone, given that we've previously seen him perform such feats of super-hearing as being able to zoom by in a couple of seconds the instant Green Arrow screams "CLARK!".

An interesting visual would be if she were wearing a bluetooth earpiece that's not actually paired with her phone, knowing that he can hear her wherever he is but also that she doesn't want to look like she's talking to herself.

Date: 2017-02-07 11:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] razsolo
Him hearing her isn't the issue, but he doesn't have super-ventriloquism anymore and she doesn't have super-hearing herself so...

Date: 2017-02-07 11:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] razsolo
I do like the Bluetooth headset idea for if she needs to tell him something though :D

Date: 2017-02-08 12:00 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Deadpool with a Green Lantern power ring (What could go wrong?)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Bluetooth accessories are necessary! Many's the time I've started replying to someone yelling at the air only to find out they were actually on the phone.

Date: 2017-02-07 10:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arthur_wynne
Funky Flashman was never the sharpest knife in the drawer, but gloating about drugged third world laborers and letting Lois manipulate him this transparently seem too dumb even for him.

Also, times change and everything but it is really weird to read Superman blithely erase Native Americans and the descendants of slaves when he says that every American is an immigrant.
Edited Date: 2017-02-07 10:02 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-07 11:01 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
Cool username.

You're right about Flashman. I'd add that bragging about the third-world laborers thing feels out of character for him... not out of character to DO it, but it kind of punctures his usual I'm-making-everything-wonderful-for-everyone schtick. This is something Lois probably should've uncovered with all that "investigative journalism" she's supposed to be so good at, instead of Flashman blabbing it first chance he gets. I mean, he's got to be aware that this is as good as telling Superman, right? He doesn't know Lois and Superman are married, but everyone knows Lois is practically the only journo who ever interviews him.

I can sort of buy that Flashman would get so caught up in his own hype that he wouldn't see the immediate downside to selling merchandise based on still-living image-conscious mass-murderers, but it seems pretty dark for Lois to lead him down that path and then just take off and "let nature take its course ¯\_(ツ)_/¯." One likes to think Clark's rubbed off on her a little more than that.

YMMV about using the text of Superman: The Movie as foreplay, but I guess it does kind of prove Flashman's point.

I must've heard that we're a "nation of immigrants" from four different sources in the last two weeks, so that remark may be a simplification at best, but it doesn't seem dated to me.
Edited Date: 2017-02-07 11:03 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-07 05:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
C'mon, man, he's having sexy roleplay with wife time. "I'm an immigrant, just like every other American, except for those who were forcibly removed from their ancestral lands and forced into reservations." is a bit of a buzzkill.

Date: 2017-02-08 12:05 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Native Americans immigrated over the Bering Strait, according to DNA evidence. All humans came from Africa.

Descendants of slaves were forced migrants, but certainly don't count as native Americans.

Date: 2017-02-07 10:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Flashman is an idiot for not realising that the reason no one sells supervillain mechandise is that supervillains might object and they'd do more than sue.

There's an old issue of Hero Alliance where the heroes discover that a publisher is releasing a comic book series that might be described as a "Bwah-ha-ha-ha!-era JLI" take on their adventures, and they object to being depicted as incompetent buffoons but the best they can do is threaten a lawsuit which might drag on for years.

Their arch nemesis, a Doctor Doom like villain, likewise objects to being depicted poorly, and has NO such compunctions about threatening EVERYONE involved in the books propduction and it vanishes almost immediately.

Date: 2017-02-07 11:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crinos
I'm also reminded of an Astro City comic where a comic company keeps righting about real life superhumans, despite the owner continually being harassed and attacked by angry super villains. In the end after getting beaten up by a Supervillain he vows to only write about cosmic level characters, under the assumption that cosmic level beings wouldn't notice or care. The POV character quits the publisher... then finds out a few days later the entire building and everyone in it had vanished without a trace, which indicates they did notice and care.

Date: 2017-02-07 02:01 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Thanks, I knew there was another story like that but couldn't recall it being Astro City! :)

Date: 2017-02-08 09:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
I remember that one, the publisher apparently wrote a comic where he gave one villain the backstory of being a neonazi or something similar, and the guy turned out to be black, and was pissed as hell because his mom read the comic.

Date: 2017-02-07 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
True confessions: at first I thought this was another version of the Toyman.

Date: 2017-02-07 11:59 am (UTC)
thosefew: bored death (Default)
From: [personal profile] thosefew
So, presumably there's an explosion of crime in Thirdworldia as the now jobless Velocity Ten take to independent entrepreneurship?


...what Superman branded products was he selling to fantasizing housewives?

Date: 2017-02-07 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
That would be the Fifty Shades of Blue line.

Date: 2017-02-09 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Something, something faster than a bullet vibe?
Edited Date: 2017-02-09 02:35 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-07 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
"My editor on Superman for my last year was kind of a dimwit."
--Joe Casey, paraphrased

Date: 2017-02-07 02:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
That did seem to be a particularly unprofessional comment to make.

Date: 2017-02-08 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
If this was edited by who I think it was edited by, "dimwit" is way too nice a word...

Date: 2017-02-08 09:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Oh, you're right, the editor in question was probably too busy chasing female DC staffers around the bullpen like something out of a Benny Hill sketch to concentrate on reading submitted scripts. Though it'd probably be politic of Casey not to imply that his past editors are inferior intellects in general.

Date: 2017-02-07 12:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] qalchemist
I gotta say, this was pretty dark of Lois.

I mean, she could -easily- have gotten this guy killed.

(I'm... assuming that Cold didn't murder Flashman there, although the last panel obviously suggests it.)

Date: 2017-02-07 01:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] trooper924
I was thinking the same thing. Imagine if Flashman had made merchandise of the Joker, that would've gotten messy real quick.

Though Cold does seem like the sort of professional that he'd just take Flashman's money and leave him alive with a warning to not try it again.

Date: 2017-02-07 04:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crinos
Hm, did Flashman ever show up again (I think he did, wasn't he part of the Alexander Luthor version of the Society?)

Because it seems to imply Leonard killed Flashman here.

Date: 2017-02-07 06:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
I think the Flash's Rogues have a no-killing policy, so he might just end up with frostbite. But yeah, if dude had offended one of Batman's murder-happy villains, or Deathstroke, etc. that could have backfired and gotten him murdered, all for the crime of annoying Lois by making a quick buck off Superman memorabilia.

Date: 2017-02-07 07:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
It's not quite a no-kill, but they only kill in some circumstance. Cop doing their job? Civilian needs a lesson? No kill there.

Date: 2017-02-07 02:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lizard_of_aus
At first, I saw this guy having a Lionel Hutz voice, but now I know who he is, I'm halfway tempted to switch to a Stan-the-man voice in my head. Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Date: 2017-02-08 12:11 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Dear god, make everyone die. Amen. (makeeveryonedie)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
He was partly based on a venomous portrayal of Stan's huckster hype. But it was done by the same people who viciously ran Fawcett Comics out of business and tried to copyright the word 'supervillain'.

Date: 2017-02-08 04:43 am (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Technically it was done by Jack Kirby and just approved/allowed by those people.

Date: 2017-02-08 03:47 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Exactly.

Date: 2017-02-07 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] aperturedreams
I can't think of a more unprofessional, self-centered thing to say about one's own comics, even if it turned out to be true.

Date: 2017-02-07 06:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
I feel confident I could turn some up if I dumpster dove into Garth Ennis and Mark Millar interviews, but yeah, highly unprofessional. I can see complaining about having creative or personal disagreements with your boss, but basically saying that they're too stupid to understand your genius writing is beyond the pale.
Edited Date: 2017-02-07 06:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-07 04:50 pm (UTC)
reveen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] reveen
Know what? Good. Fuck that guy and fuck companies who Rob people of their intellectual property for profit, even if they're supervillains.

Date: 2017-02-07 06:35 pm (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
I remember this story when it first came out. Loved it, still love the Superman/Lois dynamic there.

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