Date: 2017-02-11 10:05 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
That opening monologue made me wonder if Ennis was doing an homage to Dirk Anger.

This is pretty nice. As former Airborne whose father-in-law worked in both the American and Vietnamese forces during the war and then got reassigned to France, its like this was made for my family. Dien Bien Phu was an interesting forgotten episode of French-American history. The Americans who participated were eventually given Legion of Honour medals a looong time afterward. Though nobody is happy to remember the request to drop atomic bombs there..

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/02/14/world/dien-bien-phu-a-footnote-to-its-fall.html (The author listed in that article, Dr Spector, is the kind of name who ought to be in a comic book.)

Date: 2017-02-11 11:24 pm (UTC)
dcbanacek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
If you haven't read it, try Bernard Fall's "Hell in a very small place". A very comprehensive look at why the French chose Dien Bien Phu and why it was almost certainly doomed to fail from the get go.

Date: 2017-02-11 11:29 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
I don't think anyone has ever written anything about French Indochina that wouldn't be considered "doomed to fail from the get go."

Date: 2017-02-12 12:46 am (UTC)
leoboiko: (Default)
From: [personal profile] leoboiko
Ennis' Fury is basically indistinguishable from Dirk Anger.

Date: 2017-02-12 04:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
My father was airborne (like Fury, a veteran of Korea) and his unit was preparing to go to Dien Bien Phu when Eisenhower pulled the plug. Very happy on many levels, since my sister and I wouldn't be here without that decision! :)
Edited Date: 2017-02-12 04:28 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-12 06:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
Isn't that weird to think about? The parents of both my grandparents on my mother's side "strategically exited" from Europe during WW2. I do gratitude exercises in the morning, and a little while ago I found myself thinking "Well I wouldn't be here if not for... Hitler?"

Date: 2017-02-12 10:26 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (irish ying-yang)
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
Isn't that weird to think about? The parents of both my grandparents on my mother's side "strategically exited" from Europe during WW2. I do gratitude exercises in the morning, and a little while ago I found myself thinking "Well I wouldn't be here if not for... Hitler?"

Life is certainly strange.

Date: 2017-02-13 07:39 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: "It's just like Hitlers!" (Hitler)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
It makes you think of alternate universe stuff, doesn't it?

Date: 2017-02-13 10:44 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (victorian witch)
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
It makes you think of alternate universe stuff, doesn't it?

After reading/watching so much time travel stuff lately, it certainly does!

Date: 2017-02-12 06:49 pm (UTC)
jekylls_salvation: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
You're not 11B are you?

Date: 2017-02-13 07:37 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: Shun the nonbelievers! Shun-na! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
31M. Multichannel communications, as is everybody military in my branch of my family. Though the definition of how communications is used has changed with each one of us.

My father-in-law's commo was used to run supplies to distant elements and worked outside of traditional units, which is why he was also an officer in the South Vietnamese army. Gunrunning and guerrilla shit. Swear to god, you'd think the Vietnam War was slapstick based on his stories. Except his rank was real and he just kept climbing the ladder, so you can't just dismiss it.

At my level, the Army tested us to make sure we could stay inside a box full of radio equipment for 24 hours at a time. Woo!

Meanwhile, my spouse visits hotels in other countries and tells brass, "This is the hill on which we shall build our satellite." Lo! And then everyone violates security and uses cellphones, which is the equivalent of forwarding everything to all interested hostiles including the media.

Date: 2017-02-12 12:13 am (UTC)
glprime: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glprime
"Das Reich." Ha. Hahaha. Ohhh boy. Fury's like, 'urge to kill Nazis rising...'

Date: 2017-02-12 01:15 am (UTC)
beyondthefringe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
this can't end well.

Date: 2017-02-13 07:21 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: "It's just like Hitlers!" (Hitler)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Yeahh. I mean, senior soldiers work with other countries' soldiers a fair amount, and there is usually a bit of tension even between allies. Americans and Australians could be relied upon for bar brawls with each other when Americans admired local Aussie girls, for instance, while stationed in Australia.

But there is the extra subdued hostility of someone whose people you've actually fought against or generally prepare to fight against, like with Russians or in the modern era, certain nations that nevertheless still buy weaponry from the USA. On individual bases, people try to be respectful, but people will casually snipe at each other's histories. Invite a British officer to an American military party and, after all the years, the mockery is intended to be goodnatured. Not so much in other cases and silence may be considered the more peaceful option, which is what I see from Fury here. So we have a situation designed to slowly ramp up differences.

To say nothing of the discomfort most Americans felt about the general reasoning behind supporting old empires, and the disconnect between the top political elements and the soldiers who obeyed orders like Fury.

Date: 2017-02-14 03:48 am (UTC)
glprime: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glprime
Earlier, it felt like Nick was like, "hrr, don't like the Jerries, but the war's been over awhile. We all gotta move on." But when Steinhoff mentioned the SS and killing Jews... Um, No.

Date: 2017-02-14 05:42 pm (UTC)
lamashtar: "It's just like Hitlers!" (Hitler)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
I've been told, over and over again, that regular German army didn't get involved in that stuff. Only SS and camp guards. So...yeah. That be a red flag.

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