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Baman #18, by Tom King and David Finch. It seems a shame to pair up King's writing with Finch's art. I'm not saying anything new here but King's style of rigid formalism really needs the right kind of artistic collaborator to be fully effective and Finch isn't it. The two issues guest penciled by Mitch Gerad -- an example of the right kind of collaborator -- just made that even more clear.

Champions #6, by Mark Waid and Humberto Ramos. There's an obligatory Champions scene showing them doing their thing, but most of this issue is about introducing some new super-villains, a 'mirror' counterpart to the team. Waid, to his credit, does a really good job of making them just awful, awful people who you can't wait to see the Champions stomp.

The Flintstones #9, by Mark Russell and Steve Pugh. The book's edging away from the "one issue, one social issue" format to explore full-blown subplots and stuff. This, in conjunction with the recent knowledge that it's meant to be a finite run, actually makes the whole thing a lot more hopeful than it's previously been; it raises the possibility that the series will end with some status quo shake up, some reduction of the social inequalities of Bedrock-but-not-really-Bedrock-because-it's-really-us that the series has been expounding on.

Date: 2017-03-01 02:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucean
I think this might be one of the most successful attempts at refocusing on Bane as a twisted version of Batman. Really digging on what King is doing as during the first arc featuring Bane I felt they were again kind of making Bane a joke, but this has been making him feel like a legit monster.

Date: 2017-03-01 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I feel like any story that has the villain misunderstanding the hero as much as that last line implies should have the villain quickly destroyed

Date: 2017-03-01 04:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Well to be fair he kinda does play dress up. He spends more resources building the next toy while his city declines further in poverty. If he has the time to build another justice league base, shouldn't he have the time to rebuild Gotham.

Date: 2017-03-01 04:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
He does rebuild Gotham, though? Aren't there shown multiple charitable efforts by Bruce Wayne in canon?

Date: 2017-03-01 05:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
There are. Bruce is constantly donating money for Gotham's sake. I remember one issue in particular... IIRC, right after the story where Bruce Wayne was wanted for murder... in this issue, we see how Bruce spends his days, and he basically hands out scholarships and jobs like candies.

Date: 2017-03-01 05:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Poverty can't be solved by throwing money at it any more than it can be solved by punching it. Plenty of billionaires in the real world have tried.

In the comics Bruce spends tons on that shit hole of a city not even including his expendations through Batman Inc. But its like foreign aid to Countries run by corrupt warlords. Its real hard to help those who need it without empowering evil bastards.

Date: 2017-03-04 01:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lamashtar
Well, governments have spent the kind of money Bruce Wayne does on one city. There's horror stories about Hurricane Sandy charity already.

I've seen people sometimes comparing Bruce's monetary influence to Tony Stark, which doesn't compute. Bruce is all about one city; Tony is about national or worldwide influence.

The closest Marvel equivalent is perhaps Daredevil stories. Gangsters thrive on charity, though throwing money around can make things change. (Its how they justified altering the look of trashy Hell's Kitchen to yuppie upscale Clinton. Matt donated huge sums of money.)

Date: 2017-03-01 07:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
I'm sure he spends the same amount of $$ helping Gotham, as he does on those Justice League bases. Anybody who knows anything about Batman/Bruce knows that much.

Date: 2017-03-01 05:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
I dunno, I think it depends on context. It can work if you build it up carefully.

Like, Luthor completely misunderstands Superman, to the point that the widely accepted explanation for his inability to recognize that Supes and Clark are the same person is that he is just physically unable to conceive the possibility that a man with godlike powers would choose to live as a normal man. Luthor is genuinely convinced that Supes is some kind of power-hungry oppressor, and he still works very well as a villain.

Date: 2017-03-04 01:37 am (UTC)
lamashtar: Female Batman in bikini (Bat-torso)
From: [personal profile] lamashtar
I like it. I've seen the fuller speech and it works. Bane always seemed silly to me. He's a luchador! But he comes across like a man of incredible will and ability to reinvent himself.

Date: 2017-03-01 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] astrakhan42
I'm going to assume that the floppy-haired, large-footed guy giving a survey in Manchester, AL is Bart Allen.

Date: 2017-03-01 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
wow, that is as bad as Bane's misunderstanding him.

Bruce Wayne does a shitload of stuff for Gothm

Date: 2017-03-01 05:07 pm (UTC)
skjam: Man in blue suit and fedora, wearing an eyeless mask emblazoned with the scales of justice (Default)
From: [personal profile] skjam
Prosperity Gospel mixed with the Sons of the Serpent...sounds dangerous.

Date: 2017-03-01 06:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
IIRC, Chuck Dixon wanted Bane to be an evil Doc Savage, not a weird reflection of Bruce.

Date: 2017-03-01 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] caivu
I'm the complete opposite about Finch's art. I like it much more than I like Gerad's... but then again, I'm not a huge fan of either.

Date: 2017-03-02 01:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zylly
The bad guys in this issue of the Champions actually first appeared last week in their Monsters Unleashed one-shot. They're actually slightly more horrible here than they were in that.

Date: 2017-03-02 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
I loved those guys (don't read normal Champions, did read that), at least a little because they weren't totally horrible. Panic is definitely a character I want to see more of.

Date: 2017-03-02 02:17 am (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
Definitely some interesting characters. I'm not sure I care for their slightly more sociopathic turn.

Date: 2017-03-02 09:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehood
I don't know, Panic did use her powers on the protestors fight each other in the Monsters Unleashed tie in. Then again, you could maybe see them justify it as "being on the job" i guess.

Date: 2017-03-03 01:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zylly
I may be a seeing a degree of difference that's not there. But I do think there's a difference between "doing the job" and the "bet on how screwed up we can make these two" we saw here.

Date: 2017-03-07 12:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehood
They're both bad, but the latter does come off as just petty.

Date: 2017-03-02 09:16 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
After we saw her use her powers to make two homeless men fight each other for her entertainment, we really can't say she and the others are not totally horrible.

Date: 2017-03-04 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
I didn't mean to imply I thought she was a good person, but "evil with style" is enjoyable, too. Walking through a fight scene like you're dressed for clubbing only to make a pointed observation as to what fear would do the most damage with the fewest words and then walking away is style. Making homeless men fight for your amusement isn't style.


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