Date: 2017-04-10 08:23 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
Congrats to the Gorgon for being an exceptionally capable villain who managed not to diminish after his first showing, but just remain there.

He still exists and he's not yet had to pay off his initial showing with a chumping. He just hangs around in the back of big-ticket villain groups now, padding out their CR.

Date: 2017-04-10 09:04 pm (UTC)
byc: (Default)
From: [personal profile] byc
I feel like Hood is similar, but moves up and down as needed by the writers. This is just looking at some comics occasionally and from here, not reading the full context.

Date: 2017-04-11 01:11 am (UTC)
beyondthefringe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Oh, the Hood is a chump. Big plans... shot down. Gains power, loses power. Gains power, loses power. Big plans... shot down. His track record is pretty awful for all his ambition.

Date: 2017-04-11 05:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
His 'thing' is supposed to be he's really good at getting powers... which given his personality and how he comes across, I just do not think it works. When he's strong, he still comes across as a wannabe to me, and the Tigra thing gave me a strong dislike of him since it added a 'characters underperform and get humiliated to sell him,' aspect.

Date: 2017-04-11 08:59 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Yeah, even Parker Robbins himself acknowledges how often he fucks up in the recent Foolkiller book.
Edited Date: 2017-04-11 09:33 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-11 10:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
This. I think the gimmick given elements of his real name alone was that he was kind-of an inverse of Peter Parker; whereas Peter will mostly consistently succeed and then get a smack in the face thanks to the 'Parker Luck', Parker perpetually fucks up, gains power, and fucks up hard again.

It was why I was kind-of dubious about Bendis pushing him in New Avengers. Parker, to me, was the sort of guy who I thought should never be able to get close to the level of a Fisk, much less ordering around entire crews of villains including the likes of Madame Masque.

Date: 2017-04-10 11:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Anyone else think Krakken is Bucky and the new madame hydra is Sharon

Date: 2017-04-10 11:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
Madame Hydra is Elsa, so I don't think it'll be Sharon.

Krakken turning out to be Bucky... that would *fit* but also would be awful for the character. Unlike Steve, he already had plenty of shadow on him I'm not sure the character would recover from a heel turn of this magnitude.

I was thinking Nomad from the 'long dead' line, but I admit that wouldn't make nearly as much sense as Bucky.

Date: 2017-04-11 12:36 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Going by what's going on on Thunderbolts, it can't be Bucky.

Plus, Elisa seems to know Krekken.

Date: 2017-04-11 03:20 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Yeah, Kobik just fried Bucky or something in T-bolts 11 and the title of 12 is "Broken Toys," so I don't think Bucky's going to be on the Hydra side. Also, I think he and Hydra Cap have very little connection, Hydra Cap's all wrapped up in Zemo.

Date: 2017-04-11 12:34 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
We've already learned that the new Madame Hydra is Elisa Sinclair and Kraken seems to be related to someone she knows.
Edited Date: 2017-04-11 01:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-10 11:14 pm (UTC)
coldfury: (Default)
From: [personal profile] coldfury
Not shown is where the collected heroes above managed to nudge the shield down 6% in power/stability... and then Cap had Quasar give it her best shot and knocked it down nearly by half.

As a Quasar fan this is an incredibly odd time. I miss Wendell, but I'm doing my best to give Avril a better chance than I did Phyla. It's embarrassing, but at the time I was one of 'those' people who dismissed Phyla as 'Space Lesbian' Quasar, as if Marvel was doing it out of titillation. So I like the fact that they've made Avril LBGT. Whether she's bi or lesbian, it's a good shift.

But as much as a Quasar fanboy I am, holy hell did she just get a major push in power levels. I've always believed that Quasar is a top tier Marvel Hero, Wendell managed to go toe to toe with the Silver Surfer (for awhile!) and even single-handedly held off Galactus (for a bit). But to say that Quasar's power output is greater than the combined powers of Thor (!), Monica (Spectrum?) (!!), Blue Marvel (!!!) and the current Starbrand (!!!!)... (I'll be honest, I didn't know Hyperion had major energy projection powers) That's quite a jump from where Quasar is *usually* placed in these things.

Like I believe that Quasar should be able to hang with that group without question, but out do all of them together? Daaamn.
Edited Date: 2017-04-10 11:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-11 01:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
I think the deal with Quasar is that the bands just open the gate to vast reserves of energy, and if you can't control it, you go splodey-boom, as with everyone before Wendell. But still, I'm old-school enough to be a shade grumpy that he's being out-performed by his successor, who I hope lasts a while.

Date: 2017-04-11 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
I'm having a really hard time warming up to Avril. She hasn't done much other than act as Hydra!Steve's pawn (which tbf the entire Marvel Universe is doing atm) and completely show up Wendell and the aforementioned group of top tier energy projecting heroes. That's not a great way to endear me to the character.

I just look at her and think: "there was already a Space Lesbian Quasar, why can't they just use Phyla again?"
It doesn't help that it looks like Secret Empire is introducing an All New Patriot, and again I can't help but think "there was already a Black teenager calling himself Patriot, why the hell can't we get Eli Bradley back?"

And all I can think is that Marvel wants to use a female LGBT Quasar and a Black teenage Patriot but they don't want to have to deal with the continuity of Phyla and Eli and that's just making me bitter.

Date: 2017-04-11 03:22 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
It doesn't help that it looks like Secret Empire is introducing an All New Patriot, and again I can't help but think "there was already a Black teenager calling himself Patriot, why the hell can't we get Eli Bradley back?"

SO MUCH WORD.

This happened in the recent Nat book -- they created a whole new foe named Recluse instead of using, say, Yelena Belova, who is right there. sigh.

Date: 2017-04-11 03:28 am (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
At least " let's create an all new character similar to previous characters for this specific story " is better than " let's take a previous character that kind of fits the role we want here and awkwardly kludge them into it ".

Date: 2017-04-11 09:07 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
That made sense though considering what the story was in the Black Widow book.

Date: 2017-04-11 09:04 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Because Marvel can't legally use Eli Bradley anymore, evidently. I'm also not sure the new Patriot is a teenager.

As for Phyla, we can have more than one lesbian character. There's no quota or there shouldn't be. Besides, that situation is a bit different from Eli's, Phyla did get a new codename.

Date: 2017-04-11 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
A recent preview for Secret Empire #1 had a number of teen heroes (the ones on the cover for the Uprising mini) recruiting a black teenager who's online handle is Patriot398 into their underground resistance. That's just too much of a coincidence considering the All New Patriot is also going to be introduced in a Secret Empire tie in.
And I've yet to hear a statement from Marvel or see any proof that they aren't legally allowed to use Eli Bradley anymore.

I'm not saying that there should be a quota or that we have enough lesbian characters. I just don't think its fair that Phyla was treated so horribly for the sake of giving the mantle back to Wendell. She was given a (terrible) new codename and then she was murdered not long after. And don't forget that she is the only member of the GOTG who died in that arc to stay dead.
I can't help but wonder if Marvel isn't keeping her dead and replacing her with Avril because the Vell family distracts from Carol Danvers being the One True Captain Marvel.

Because at the end of the day it seems like cross brand synergy with the MCU matters more than continuity and respect to characters.

Date: 2017-04-11 01:23 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Except the Patriot we saw on the tie in covers doesn't appear to be a Teenager and seems to be using Night Trasher's tech. Which could point at it being Night Trasher. Plus the new Patriot is in a separate tie in front Cho, Viv and the others

And the issue isn't Eli specifically, but the fact that they can't use Isiah Bradley and any character related to Isiah. So that would also include Josiah X, but we haven't seen him in years anyway.

The quality of her code name doesn't detract from the fact that Avril being Quasar doesn't stop Phyla from returning. Avril is replacing Wendell, not Phyla.

More importantly, Phyla wouldn't really work for this story. It wouldn't have made much sense for Phyla to be working for Steve. An agent like Avril on the other hand does fit this whole arc.

And Avril isn't an MCU character, so you can't blame it on synergy. That's kinda reaching.
Edited Date: 2017-04-11 02:21 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-11 10:29 pm (UTC)
coldfury: (Default)
From: [personal profile] coldfury
To be fair, I don't think we've seen much of Warlock since then. Except in Starlin-verse, which is practically a separate continuity given how the rest of Marvel ignores anything he's doing.

Date: 2017-04-11 05:47 pm (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
I'm curious where are you getting that marvel can't legally use Isiah Bradley and his relatives anymore?

I haven't been able to find any source that points to any legal issues at all around the character that would stop marvel from using him or his relatives.

Date: 2017-04-12 12:35 am (UTC)
mastermahan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Ditto. I've been checking Google, but nothing.

Date: 2017-04-12 01:36 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
I was confused as well, but I'm assuming he was just being snarky about Eli being in limbo, not literally stating that there was a legal issue with the use of him or Isiah Bradley. I mean, I can't imagine any legal way that Marvel would have allowed a character to be added to their comic that they didn't have control over (as opposed to being required to provide compensation for using that character in specific contexts, such as video).

Date: 2017-04-11 10:27 pm (UTC)
coldfury: (Default)
From: [personal profile] coldfury
Wait, what? Since when?

Last I heard, they had put Eli on the shelf because the character's creator had a story for him, but hadn't had time to come back to Marvel to tell it.

Date: 2017-04-11 09:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
I'm not very knowledgeable about Marvel power levels, but when I saw that I wondered... Won't that shield pop like a soap bubble against actual cosmic threats, on the level of Celestials or Galactus etc.?

Date: 2017-04-11 09:27 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
That's why they are testing it's limits though.

Date: 2017-04-11 07:10 am (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Nick, no one else loves your waifu.

Date: 2017-04-11 09:05 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Which one? The Witch that can summon tentacles or the New Quasar?
Edited Date: 2017-04-11 09:34 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-11 11:32 am (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
The one most present in these pages.

Date: 2017-04-11 01:25 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
So the Witch. I wouldn't really call her a waifu though.

Date: 2017-04-11 08:13 pm (UTC)
mizerous: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mizerous
Captainbellman...I offer you knowledge if you embrace the waifu.

Date: 2017-04-11 07:20 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Nice to see Starro working again, even if it's for the competition.

Date: 2017-04-11 10:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaxjyls
Danver, makes a speech about safety and stability

Literally next panel "Launch the Nukes"

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