Date: 2017-04-19 12:18 pm (UTC)
shadadukal: (BSG : Sam pilot hot colouring)
From: [personal profile] shadadukal
Urgh, that is chilling. Can't wait to see Steve back to normal, if that ever happens. Though I wonder how fast his reputation in and out of universe can recover.

Date: 2017-04-19 01:30 pm (UTC)
byc: (Default)
From: [personal profile] byc
He will.

But they'll use Hydra Cap all the time for other universes and What-ifs.

This was completely predictable:

Hated it, outrage!
Read it, Hydra Cap is so cool!
Recycle him forever because evil Cap is more fun

Date: 2017-04-19 01:37 pm (UTC)
shadadukal: (BSG : Six crop)
From: [personal profile] shadadukal
Well, I, for one, hate Hydra!Cap. I hate that they made him, of all characters, a villain and I always will.

I've been reading the series on MU and I feel ill when I do.

Date: 2017-04-19 02:51 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
But that's why some people do find it compelling, because it's him, of all characters.

He does make for a rather chilling villain.

Date: 2017-04-19 03:40 pm (UTC)
tigerkaya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
I find drinking a bottle of cyinide more chilling than this garbage heap.

Date: 2017-04-19 04:55 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
You do you man.

Date: 2017-04-21 01:19 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Yeah, I'm sitting out this event and all the many, many tie-ins and I'm going to watch how they handle this and wrap it up before I get really involved with Marvel again. It'll be interesting to see if they can go eighteen days, let alone eighteen months, without another big event after this one.

Date: 2017-04-21 06:07 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Not counting Generations?

Date: 2017-04-20 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jmacq1
Well, first he'll become Nomad again, assuming he isn't killed again. But I predict approximately 1-2 major crossover event cycles (so 1-2 years) before things return to relative normal with Steve.

Date: 2017-04-20 01:23 pm (UTC)
shadadukal: (BSG : Tigh facepalm)
From: [personal profile] shadadukal
Speaking of the Nomad codename, where has Ian Rogers gone? The last I saw him was in the Secret Wars mini he starred in.

Also, I am so very tired of events. But your estimation of time is probably spot-on. At least one major event, maybe two.

Date: 2017-04-21 06:08 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Technically, Sam Wilson is Nomad now.

Date: 2017-04-19 12:47 pm (UTC)
leoboiko: manga-style picture of a female-identified person with long hair, face not drawn, putting on a Japanese fox-spirit max (Default)
From: [personal profile] leoboiko
Oh come ooon, this is a perfect Hail Hydra moment if ever there was one. Cat's out the bag, isn't it? He's taking power right now? Why not hail Hydra while you're at it?

Date: 2017-04-19 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] astrakhan42
That's going to happen in the first couple of issues of Secret Empire; it ends just as Steve's making his really huge power play.

Date: 2017-04-19 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
I'm enjoying this more than normal Steve.

Though I suppose this shows that most normal opponents have lost so often thats they are hard to make into credible threats any more. Doom and Magneto can't be used for everything, and you can only give villains makeovers and increased powers so many times.

Date: 2017-04-19 01:52 pm (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Odd place to point it out, but - I am really disturbed that they decided to just start drawing Sharon Carter with a weird jowly/pronounced jawbones face ala Kellyanne Conway in order to visually emphasise that she's morally compromised and/or stressed. It's not nice.

Date: 2017-04-19 02:09 pm (UTC)
speedingtortoise: Happy Platypus (Default)
From: [personal profile] speedingtortoise
I actually interpreted it as an attempt to simply show that's she's older, and I kind of appreciated that they would have a prominent female character who shows signs of age rather than just having everybody be flawless superhero barbie dolls. But I dunno, maybe their intent was more what you're saying, I'm not sure.

Date: 2017-04-19 02:49 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
No, you're righ. Sharon isn't evil or anything like that. She just got older the same way Steve was an old man for awhile.
Edited Date: 2017-04-19 02:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-19 02:48 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Except she's not morally compromised and she doesn't side with Hydra Steve. They just draw her that way because she got old after being stuck in dimension Z for awhile.

Date: 2017-04-19 02:56 pm (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
I don't know, there was that "If you don't love Shield you must be a Hydra fan" thing in Invincible Iron Man, and after that she was in a book - can't remember which one - where she ordered an invasion by Shield...

Date: 2017-04-19 03:06 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Again, she got old far before that. Even, then let's keep in mind the context. In your first example, Sharon shows up to help Pepper and Riri and instead of a thank you, Riri goes on the whole "SHIELD is the devil" speech.

But again, she showed up to help them when they called.

And you're going to need to be more specific with your second example. I'm going to need the context of that.

And was it Sharon that ordered it or was it Steve? Anyway, the only time i remember SHIELD invading anything recently was in Infamous Iron Man and it was Hill in that case.
Edited Date: 2017-04-19 03:18 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-21 01:16 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
She's reminded me a lot more of Hillary than Kellyanne for quite a while now. It might be nice to see an older woman in comics, but the artist fails at drawing her the same way others did with old Steve (old head, young body), and they make her look 10-15 years older than she supposedly is.

Date: 2017-04-21 07:19 am (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Right? It is *unsettling*. I half-expect her to turn out to be a tiny MODOK ona robot body.

Date: 2017-04-21 06:09 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
The only time Steve looked like an old man during that time was in the Deadpool books and i think Uncanny Avengers.

Sharon is old though, she aged up when she was stuck in Dimension Z.
Edited Date: 2017-04-21 06:11 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-21 08:43 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Yeah, I meant how they drew him after the serum didn't work, not at the same time as the Dimension Z stuff.

Date: 2017-04-19 03:59 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I will admit... that IS chilling... but at the same time.... why not show signs that Cap is trying to fight it? give us hope that not even the cosmic cube could completely override the honest to god good man he is.

Date: 2017-04-19 04:21 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
What's the point of the man in the flag if he's too special to fall and rise and struggle with the rest?

Date: 2017-04-19 04:56 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
How would he fight it? Kobik straight up changed his history. It's not a case of mind control.

Date: 2017-04-19 05:28 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Well, it goes to the idea that intrinsicly, Cap is a good man. Despite upbrining. Despite his history. maybe even BECAUSE of his history, there are some things that don't change. Like his heart. history doesn't define who we are. it influences, yes. and it could/should influence his. But at his core, what defines him, is that he is a good man.

Date: 2017-04-19 04:35 pm (UTC)
informationgeek: (djpon3)
From: [personal profile] informationgeek
I didn't read this, so I'm not sure how accurate this statement is from the IGN article about the subject....

Secret Empire #0 opened with a pretty surprising revelation about the history of the Marvel Universe. If this storyline is to be believed, the Axis Powers (with ample assistance from Hydra) actually won World War II. The Allies were forced to resort to desperate measures by using a Cosmic Cube to rewrite reality and make themselves the victors instead

This twist is also interesting in what it says about Captain America's true connection to Hydra. Until now, it's never been fully clear whether Cap has always been a Hydra agent or if Kobik (the sentient Cosmic Cube taking the form of a young girl) simply rewrote his memories to make him think that was the case. Now it appears that the former is true. Steve Rogers truly was recruited by Hydra as a child, and it's only because of the Allies using the Cosmic Cube that he changed into the blemish-free Captain America readers have known for most of his existence.


Is that true? Did the Nazis REALLY win, but the allies had to the Cosmic Cube to rewrite reality? Because... that feels and sounds soooooooooo stupid.

Don't you see kids? Captain America was always a Nazi! :D :D :| :\

Like I said, I need confirmation on that because I'm confused.

Date: 2017-04-19 05:02 pm (UTC)
informationgeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] informationgeek
Like I said, didn't read the issue and asking. Let's hope it's just Cosmic Cube reality warping shenanigans, cause otherwise this is... going to be kind of stupid.

Date: 2017-04-19 05:04 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
That's exactly what it is and what was shown. This is how Kobik changed everything.

Date: 2017-04-19 04:58 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Nah, that's just how Kobik changed Steve's history.

Date: 2017-04-19 07:22 pm (UTC)
kojiro: "Maybe when you're older, you'll have a chest like this!" (Default)
From: [personal profile] kojiro
Why are they all thumbnails?

Date: 2017-04-20 06:19 am (UTC)
stubbleupdate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
Having images hidden behind two abload pop ups, with another window that pops up makes this probably the least accessible option that you could have chosen, short of recreating the panels in ASCII art.

Date: 2017-04-20 02:45 pm (UTC)
stubbleupdate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
There are many alternatives.

If you have the abload hosting, then just link to the pictures using html. I managed it on mobile.

Or, use the more popular method of just putting one book in one post.

If neither of those are suitable, I have loads more.

Date: 2017-05-17 06:49 pm (UTC)
erikred: (athos)
From: [personal profile] erikred
Sorry, didn't see this thread when it was posted. Yes, please, avoid the thumbnails if possible (and it sounds like it's always possible).

Date: 2017-04-19 07:45 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Best thing about USAvengers was seeing Smasher and Cannonball together again.

Date: 2017-04-19 08:01 pm (UTC)
stubbleupdate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
Smasher?

Fucking yes!

Date: 2017-04-20 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] onsokumaru
I hope at some point they adress the fact that Smasher works for enemies of the Earth.
Edited Date: 2017-04-20 07:43 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-20 06:29 am (UTC)
sadoeuphemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
So why was Captain America so opposed to the planetary defense shield to begin with?

Date: 2017-04-20 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jmacq1
I think it was because he planned/is planning to use an alien invasion as part of his power-grab? Not entirely sure.

Date: 2017-04-20 04:38 pm (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
It was an act and he needed Maria and Carol to be the ones to build it.

Date: 2017-04-20 11:49 pm (UTC)
sadoeuphemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
But why was he opposed to it though?

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