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"We felt like the character of Eiling has gotten away from who he was in the '80s, who was this master manipulator. We thought of him as Captain Kirk gone bad. Instead, I feel like he's become this blustering, angry general determined to save the country at all cost. So he'd become more of a Thunderbolt Ross kind of character. And I actually like Thunderbolt Ross in the Hulk, but it wasn't ever who Eiling was. So this allowed us to nuance Eiling back to the kind of character he was." - Greg Weisman





"In other words -- welcome to 2017!"














Date: 2017-05-02 12:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cygnia
Odds Batman sent this?

Date: 2017-05-02 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Impossible; the tablet's white and has no custom-made bat insignia. Bruce has standards, you know.

Date: 2017-05-02 12:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Well, that's one way to get Captain Atom closer to his post-Crisis, "classic" DC iteration, I guess.

Date: 2017-05-02 02:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Eiling acting human, isn't this the same Eiling that turned himself into G.I. Shaggyman. I give it year before he goes insane.

I see Greg wants to cast Keith David as Eiling in a Captain Atom movie.

Date: 2017-05-02 05:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Like the quote says, Bates and Weisman's Eiling was always a David Xanatos-esque manipulator rather than being a loony fanatic.

Date: 2017-05-02 05:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
The one shocking truth generals and scientists don't want you to know!

Date: 2017-05-02 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
OK, Eiling's entire argument there is hilarious:

1) If the world finds out Captain Atom's alive, he'll be convicted of manslaughter for accidentally exploding too hard. Even though he was a military officer carrying out his usual duties at the time, and three famous superheroes can vouch that he made every attempt to prevent the explosion.

2) Also, the Justice League will hunt Captain Atom down for making them look bad, because Superman and Green Lantern are well known for their vengefulness and obsession with public image.

3) But this can all be avoided if Captain Atom simply continues to operate as...Captain Atom. A totally new Captain Atom, who just happens to have the same face, build, shiny metal skin, and powerset as the old guy. But he's purple instead of blue now! No one will suspect a thing.

4) And they'll keep calling him "Captain Atom," of course. I mean, you can't throw away a cool codename like that just because it's now permanently tied to a massive, civilian-killing radioactive explosion on American soil! Anyway, they'll "assure the public" that this Captain Atom is much less explodey than the last version. The public will totally buy that, just like they've totally accepted the safety of vaccines and GMOs and nuclear power plants.

If this is what Eiling's "internal psyops team" comes up with when they're working overtime, he needs to fire them and hire, I dunno, Oberon or Rex Leech or somebody.

Date: 2017-05-02 12:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
1) He wasn't carrying out orders at the time. He'd been ordered to return to base immediately but refused in order to help out a ship in distress. He was ordered to leave the rescue to a nearby naval vessel specifically because his body was showing signs of instability, but he didn't listen.

2) The New 52 Captain Atom never had shiny metal skin or this power set prior to this issue. That was the pre-Flashpoint Captain Atom.

The same face, yeah, but this is a world where a domino mask or glasses can hide an identity. If that can work, then why not too a layer of metal-ish stuff?
Edited Date: 2017-05-02 12:45 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-04 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
He'd been ordered to return to base immediately but refused in order to help out a ship in distress.


Ah, okay (although I'd quibble with whether it counted as an order as long as it was Dr. Megala "urging" him to return and not Eiling). Still, the ship in question has a a whole crew who can verify that Atom did, in fact, help the ship and save everybody on board, which the other vessel could not necessarily have done given how fast it was sinking. Even if he made the wrong call on balance, I strongly doubt a judge or jury would judge him negligent to the point of manslaughter.

2) The New 52 Captain Atom never had shiny metal skin or this power set prior to this issue. That was the pre-Flashpoint Captain Atom.


Really? I'm looking back at issue #1 and he was shiny and blue and flying around with an energy trail zapping things and the word "quantum" was already being thrown around every few seconds. True, his shinyness was more plasticky and less metallic, and he had funky energy hair, but that's not much of a makeover by superhero standards.

The same face, yeah, but this is a world where a domino mask or glasses can hide an identity. If that can work, then why not too a layer of metal-ish stuff?


Well, the suspension of disbelief is usually helped along by the character's backstory and mad acting skills. People don't think a mild-mannered reporter or a billionaire playboy could be a hero at all, hence they're extra-blind to the resemblance between the secret identity and the superguy. But in this case, both identities are heroes! It's as if Superman put on glasses and claimed to be a totally different guy, even though he was still wearing a cape and fighting crime in a cape and calling himself Superman.* I think even comic book civilians would be a little suspicious about that one.

*OK, if the Eradicator had said this it would actually be the truth, but never mind that.

Date: 2017-05-04 02:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
"Even if he made the wrong call on balance, I strongly doubt a judge or jury would judge him negligent to the point of manslaughter."

What can I say, you have more faith in humanity than I do.

Visually, I'd say the only thing the two really have in common, besides the insignia obviously, is shininess. Different colors, and one's solid energy while the other's metal.

And the powers are kind of similar but also clearly not *the* same. I don't recall that much about the early New 52 Capt. Atom, but wasn't he a full-blown Dr. Manhattan sort, who went around transmuting stuff?

Plus, everyone thinks the original guy's been dead for five years.

So I'd say enough for the public to buy they're two separate people provided they don't pass off the similarity as pure coincidence but rather chalk it off to something, like the two being the result of the same government project, say.
Edited Date: 2017-05-04 02:37 pm (UTC)

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