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1.This is not a Watchmen sequel

"It is something else. It is Watchmen colliding with the DC Universe. It is the most personal and most epic, utterly mind-bending project I have ever worked on in my career. With Rebirth, I opened the door to Manhattan. Part of that was I loved the real-world influence Watchmen has. I put Manhattan out there, and always thought there was a Manhattan/Superman story to be told, but then ... it grew. And grew. It took my heart and soul over. Still, at the core of it, there’s a being who has lost his humanity, and distanced himself from it, and an alien who embodies humanity more than most humans. I love the idea that Watchmen influenced DC, but what would that look like in reverse? And it goes well beyond that."



2. This is a standalone story


"We’re not going to do a story like this unless we one-thousand percent believe in it. It is all about the story; it is only about the story. There are no crossovers. No watered down one-shots or mini-series on top of this one. This is a standalone story. There is only Doomsday Clock. We had no interest in doing a crossover with this. We didn’t want to see Doctor Manhattan facing off against Superman in Action Comics, with all due respect. That is not what this is about. It is about something different … It will have an impact on the entire DC Universe. It will affect everything moving forward and everything that has come before. It will touch the thematic and literal essence of DC."



3. What characters are involved in the story


"There will be DC characters throughout this, but this focuses in on only a handful. There is a lot of focus on Superman, and Doctor Manhattan. Doctor Manhattan is a huge focus, and his reasons for being here, and doing what he does, ultimately have to do with Superman. And there are many, many more characters to be involved, but it is a bit early to discuss."



4. The origins of the story

"When Rebirth kicked off, and I wrote the special and worked with all the teams, and all the books did their own thing, I talked to Gary, and said there is a really interesting story with Doctor Manhattan, and his point of view, and the intersection into what is the DC Universe. We debated whether we would ever want to do it, because it is a big job. We talked for six months, and the truth is, it wasn’t until the election, and post-election, that I called Gary and said, 'I’ve got the complete story.'"



5. This is a timely story (And a story for our times?)

"It is about much more than the American president or the reactions to him. That is low hanging fruit to me. It goes bigger, deeper. It is about the world, and the attitude of people. I feel like there are extremes now everywhere, extremes on all sides. There is no more olive branch. It doesn’t exist. I feel like people, more and more, are separated. They are choosing sides, instead of figuring out how to make life better together. There is a real sense of anger, and frustration, and there is not a lot of compassion, or willingness to understand in the world. Telling a story of two extremes, and exploring what our collective zeitgeist states through these characters is what we are doing. We think it’s important … The truth is, if the world and the country didn’t go a certain way, I don’t know that we would be telling this story. For us, the story would not exist if the last year didn’t unfold the way it did, and the rise of extremism wasn't so palpable."



6. On Johns’ partnership with Gary Frank

"I said if Gary Frank doesn’t draw this, I’m not doing this book. There is no other artist that can do this on the planet. We have been working together nonstop since, I think, 2005. Everything I have done with Gary, I would hand to somebody and say, “You want to know what I do?” This. Here is Braniac, Legion of Super Heroes, Shazam, here’s Batman: Earth One. Everything we’ve ever done together is super new-reader friendly. You can read them in any order. We meld on a creative level, and you don’t find that often. He was the only one, to me, that can capture something like this. We were working on Batman: Earth One, Vol. 3, which is almost done. And as we were, we were talking, and this came up. He was very on the fence because of the material, but once we talked about the story, we thought it was something – maybe more than anything else we’ve done – we believe in. We have never been more enthusiastic about a project. This is the most powerful creative energy I have felt working in comics. Everything I have ever done in comics has led to Doomsday Clock."

By the way, Brian Cunningham, our editor, we specifically requested him. He’s the best for us. As a team, he brings a lot of this. He’s the only other one who knows the whole story, along with Dan DiDio and Jim Lee. I feel like he is the producer, I’m the screenwriter, and Gary is the director."



7. About that title

"It takes the iconic elements of both Superman and Watchmen, and the DC Universe. It felt like the perfect title. I like the “DC.” It used to be called “The Doomsday Clock,” but I took “The” off. Obviously people know who Doomsday is, but he’s not a part of the story, but I like the implications of it. People will think the last time they heard Doomsday and Superman, he died, so what is this going to be? What is he going to go through this time? And how will it affect them going forward?"



8. If Rebirth brought hope back to the DCU, will the grime of Watchmen infect it?

"That’s exactly the point of the story. Will it? Can it?

I believe in the power of these icons. I believe in the power of hope, and optimism. I don’t think it’s fake. People tend to say if it’s grim, and gritty, it’s real, and grounded. I refuse that … And I don’t care if it stirs up drama. But I want it to be drama in the right way. I think Gary and I have earned the right to do a story we believe in. With Rebirth, I think we proved we care, and take this seriously. We love Watchmen. We love the DC Universe."



9. If there were doubts in tackling this story


"Have I had doubts about this story? That’s why it’s not coming out until November. It didn’t come out last November, or last July. Gary and I both equally thought, only if we have a story that we have to tell. It took eight months for us to go, 'You know what, we do.' We take the responsibility extremely seriously."



10. On the emotional connection to the Rebirth Special

"The Rebirth Special was so personal, so important to me. It was not about relaunching a line. It was about a story I wanted to tell. That’s why it was good. I don’t think all my comics turn out great, but that one, I do. Because I believed in it so much. I felt it. I didn't like the DC Universe where it was, and wanted a story that put back what I missed as a fan. This challenges Rebirth, and is the story of, 'Can I reaffirm Rebirth?'"

Date: 2017-05-15 01:25 pm (UTC)
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Well, that would be... short lived.

Superstrong, flying brick and all-round heck-of-a-nice-guy vs... God



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Date: 2017-05-15 06:05 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, they can't really "fight" in a traditional sense due to Manhattan's god-like power and cosmic awareness. Their conflict would probably be more similar to Superman vs. Mr. Mxyzptlk, if Mxyzptlk were an agent of Order rather than Chaos.

Date: 2017-05-15 01:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reveen
I actually genuinely hate this entire concept and depending on how it's done it might piss away the entirety of my goodwill for Rebirth.

Oh, and we have a clock so this is going to be drawn out too. It's going to be like pulling teeth!

Date: 2017-05-15 04:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
The cluster that is Superman Reborn has squandered my Rebirth goodwill.

Do you know how hard it is to explain to my Wonder Woman fan of a friend that not only did her beloved Superman/Wonder Woman ship end... it now never existed because of reasons.

They may have taken a wrong turn at New 52, but they just threw away years of stories and took away all sense of universal continuity, more than they already had.

I might finish the story arc that saw Batman get bested by a cow, but after that I think I'm done with Superman for now.

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Date: 2017-05-15 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Okay, If they keep on the promise of "this is a stand-alone story" i will give them some credit over... that over event that you may have heard of...

Date: 2017-05-15 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tianyulong
Yeah, DC's treatment of Watchmen and other Alan Moore works is... questionable at best, but I'll still take it over Marvel's neverending all encompassing crossovers anyday.

Date: 2017-05-15 02:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pyrrhocorax
This whole thing just gives me second-hand embarrassment.

Date: 2017-05-15 02:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] informationgeek
I'm excited. Probably the first real comic event (?) In a while as well. Hopefully taking this long helped Johns ironed everything out and hopefully he ran this by several good writers and people as well.

Date: 2017-05-15 04:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Who are you and what have you done to informationgeek

Joking aside, I'm excited too, if this is anything like the rest of Rebirth (I haven't really followed that aside from one or two titles, though, so I'm just going by word of mouth).

Date: 2017-05-15 02:29 pm (UTC)
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DC is so shameless. I wonder if anyone will try to justify this again by throwing Moore under the bus and claiming that this is no different than him using literary characters in 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" and ignore how this is only possible by DC cheating Moore out of their promise to give the rights back to him.

Date: 2017-05-15 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
DC's promise was always limited wasn't it? We'll give you these characters once we stop selling the book and then it got so popular they never stopped selling?

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Date: 2017-05-15 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] luckofjin
I know both DC and Marvel have a long history of not fairly compensating their employees, but this feels different - often I am aware of the corporations failing to take any appropriate steps to rectify an injustice in the past, but this is happening now. Also, as Watchman is not a new comic, wouldn't a good part of those who pick it up also have some familiarity with the history between DC and Moore? This is definitely pushing me away from DC, as I was purchasing Batman and won't purchase The Button crossover.

Date: 2017-05-15 05:54 pm (UTC)
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Not sure what Superman meeting Dr.Manhattan has to do with the resurgence of the extreme right in the U.S. and elsewhere. It's true that Superman, as usually (and initially) conceived, does indeed represent broadly progressive values. But does Johns intend to have Manhattan represent reactionary values? That would be shoehorning to an absurd degree. To the extent Superman and Manhattan represent conflicting views of any sort, the conflict would be between activism and fatalism, or maybe free will and determinism. None of which maps to right vs. left.

Date: 2017-05-15 06:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] balbanes
"If there's one thing in this cosmos that that man isn't capable of doing it's having a political bias. Believe me... you have to meet him to understand. I mean, which do you prefer, red ants or black ants?"

--Ozymandias on Dr. Manhattan

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Date: 2017-05-15 05:59 pm (UTC)
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Aside from Dr. Manhattan, can any of the Watchmen Universe heroes even stand up against any of the DC heroes?

I see maybe Nite Owl able to, due to his tech, but he's just a Ted Kord expy so it's nothing that hasn't already been seen.

The rest not so much.

Date: 2017-05-15 06:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Ozymandias is fairly formidable to the lower levels plus he's a planner type.

But yea, on a super scale, most of them are a '1' (athletic trained human), Ozzy's a '2' (mildly superhuman), Dr. Manhattan's a 20.

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Date: 2017-05-15 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blueprintstyles
I don't see why think this has yo be a Superman vs Dr. Manhattan story, I think this might be more for lack of a better term, "team up". This could be a story of influence and, cause and effect.

Date: 2017-05-15 07:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] balbanes
I see the conflict as philosophical. Dr. Manhattan is essentially a rebuke to the entire idea of superheroes and super-villains, i.e. that a person with vast superhuman powers would use them to protect or enslave humans. Alan Moore "argued" a third possibility: that a superhuman would not do either due to complete disinterest. A being with vast superhuman abilities and awareness would view human concerns in the same way that we normal humans weigh the concerns of competing ant colonies.

So if Superman and Dr. Manhattan were to "fight," it would probably a conflict of worldviews. Farm-boy Clark Kent would just not "get" why Dr. Manhattan does not give a crap about Earth. And Dr. Manhattan-- to the extent he's even interested in Superman-- would not understand why Kent involves himself in mundanity.

Date: 2017-05-15 06:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrosa
I think Gary and I have earned the right to do a story we believe in.

It looks like everyone's earned the right to tell stories with the Watchmen characters.

Except their actual creators.

Date: 2017-05-15 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
That's not exactly fair. DC would have a bucketful of kittens if Alan Moore gave any signal whatsoever that he wanted to tell any more stories with the Watchmen characters. He's made it about as clear as he can that he doesn't want to. He doesn't want anyone else to, either.

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Date: 2017-05-15 06:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrosa
That’s exactly the point of the story. Will it? Can it?

Considering the violence, mayhem, mutilation, psychological traumas, angst, and "grown-up" politics he's inflicted on the DCU since his rise as chief-architect of a once laidback, colorful, heroic universe, Johns should just cut the coyness and reply, "Well, I mean, it's not like Watchmen hasn't been infecting it for the past 30 years." It's as if he's been comatose throughout his career. I know that many - most? - of his comics, especially for us readers who've been refreshingly challenged by the demands of a traditional Alan Moore comic book, read as if they were written by someone with zero brain activity, but decency imposes limits on how deceitful you can be about your own actual role in tarnishing what you pretend to cherish.

Date: 2017-05-16 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] caivu
That wasn't condescending at all.

Date: 2017-05-15 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
You know what? I'm convinced. I'll give it a chance. I was ready to dismiss this out of hand, but that seemed like a really heartfelt interview. I reserve the right to roll my eyes if the results of these good intentions don't measure up, but that goes without saying.

Date: 2017-05-15 06:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrosa
It is about the world, and the attitude of people. I feel like there are extremes now everywhere, extremes on all sides. There is no more olive branch. It doesn’t exist. I feel like people, more and more, are separated. They are choosing sides, instead of figuring out how to make life better together. There is a real sense of anger, and frustration, and there is not a lot of compassion, or willingness to understand in the world.

Is this lecture really coming from the mouth of a man who shows no moral qualms about siding with a major corporation against an artist on the question of his rights?

Extremes? Alan Moore's an extremist, he's the one who's had the courage to refuse the olive branch in return for money; he's the one who's asked to have his name taken off his own work to make a point. The world needs more extremists like that.

As for Geoff Johns, he's the depressing evidence that the world hasn't gone extreme enough; on the contrary, all I see is business as usual in the grand ol' tradition of hacks compromising with corporations to screw the little guy, and sugar-coating the compromising in PR parlance.

Date: 2017-05-15 09:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reveen
When it comes to creators rights there absolutely no such thing as an extremist position as far as I'm concerned. You either want to see artists being treated right and be able to pursue their own desires for their work in a fair system, or you don't.

Date: 2017-05-15 07:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spider_man6
Rebirth events have been good up to this point, but I really hope with this we actually get some solid Rebirth answers. The past couple of crossovers have left more questions in their wake.

Date: 2017-05-16 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
I would probably feel more optimistic about this if Geoff Johns were not the one writing it.
It's just that the last time Geoff wrote a big storyline about how the DCverse has become all dark and angsty and needs fixin'... the villains, murderous berks that they were, had a point... and hadn't done much villainy up to that point, which probably led to the whole "Superboy-Prime goes from understandably pissed at Connor's whiny angst to killing for the lulz".
And then the original Superman got beaten to death and the universe went right back to being dark and angsty.
(I mean, I love Infinite Crisis, it's what got me into DC properly, but...)

Also, Frank on art. Now, he draws good, granted, save for one teeny, tiny little thing which kind of crops up with his work from time to time...
He's awful about keeping eyes on-model.
Dramatic scenes are hard to take when someone comes down with a bad case of strabismus.

Also also, a total screaming lack of interest.
(And that bit about Osterman being "disconnected from his humanity". Didn't the end of Watchmen have him start reconnecting with it? Yeah, okay, it's an interview so it's a good solid 80% raw BS anyway, but... mixed with all the murderin' Doctor Manhattan's been doing so far... John's credentials re: Watchmen knowledge seem iffy.)

Date: 2017-05-16 01:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zylly
A chance for the optimism of Superman to literally overcome the cynicism of Watchmen?

Yeah, sounds good to me.

Date: 2017-05-16 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] caivu
Hear hear.

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Date: 2017-05-16 02:29 am (UTC)
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I'm excited

Date: 2017-05-16 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
This sounds like a really, really bad idea.

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