Date: 2017-05-17 11:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] qalchemist
Fisk is a realist. He's seen this sort of thing before - he knows the heroes will eventually take the world back, or is at least gambling that they will. They always have before, after all.

So if there are people who see him as a savior, well, when the sun returns - he's in good graces.

Date: 2017-05-17 11:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
And if the heroes don't win, then he's the goddamn Kingpin and will either go down fighting, or rise to to the top of the new regime (which he has already got underway by disposing of competition like these crooks)

Date: 2017-05-17 11:46 am (UTC)
qalchemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] qalchemist
Exactly.

Fisk knows the game.

Date: 2017-05-17 01:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Even then I think he considers himself to be a protector of New York so his motives are probably genuine as far as they can be for someone like him.

Date: 2017-05-17 02:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Fisk has a "I prevent New York from tearing itself apart with criminal anarchy" perspective. A few stories actually back that up: Fisk disappears and the hero is busy with other criminals trying to seize power.

Date: 2017-05-17 03:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] erikred
I'm probably guilty of oversimplification here, but I think most writers write Fisk as more of a "you can't destroy New York, it's where I keep my stuff" sort of villain.

Or maybe "hey, you can't terrorize my city; only I get to terrorize my city."

Date: 2017-05-17 05:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I guess it's a "depends on the writer" situation but a number of times Kingpin is written as someone who loves his city and views what he does as necessary for New York to thrive.

Date: 2017-05-17 06:25 pm (UTC)
erikred: (athos)
From: [personal profile] erikred
Perhaps, but only within the scope of "how does this benefit Fisk?"

I've never bought Fisk's expressions of civic pride or duty as anything other than self-serving excuses for his own ruthlessness and ambition.

Date: 2017-05-17 07:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
"If I benefit, then New York benefits" is probably the thought process.

Date: 2017-05-17 04:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
He does protect New York… in the same way that an abusive, exploitative husband protects his wife from (other) threats. He sees the city as his.

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