Date: 2017-05-31 06:51 pm (UTC)
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Wait, what happened to Tokyo?

Date: 2017-05-31 07:35 pm (UTC)
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Bombings. Not anything with enhanced humans, simply the WW2 bombings.

Date: 2017-05-31 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] doodleboy
Man this entire arc has been dour even for Uber standards. Going to ramble.

Daniel Gete did some good directing this issue. The close-up of the Unit 731 scientist when Yamato asked him if he experimented on animals was chilling.

The Yamato bit made me think of "Space Battleship Yamato" which honestly made that scene even more disturbing.

Alot of the historical stuff makes me wish Kieron was still doing Writer's Notes for Uber.

Like how the historian uses the euphemism "disabled".

I wonder how they were able to reactivate Yamato considering Stephanie said they didn't know how to reactivate completed Ubers yet. Maybe it's a bit of foreshadowing, which probably bodes ill for Churchill.

Man the story is just kicking Razor in the face isn't it?

And it seemed like Kieron had tons of fun writing Patton.
Edited Date: 2017-05-31 10:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-06-01 11:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
-Man this entire arc has been dour even for Uber standards.-

I think a lot of that is just the 'start of part 2' factor.

We've got Turing's new ubers coming online next issue.

-I wonder how they were able to reactivate Yamato considering Stephanie said they didn't know how to reactivate completed Ubers yet. Maybe it's a bit of foreshadowing, which probably bodes ill for Churchill.-

They even noted there was something odd and how a partially activated should have performance inferior to what he showed as a tankman.

Also, it may be that they never properly stopped his activation.

Learning to restart activations is looking like a holy grail at this point.

-And it seemed like Kieron had tons of fun writing Patton.-

He has said so!

Date: 2017-06-01 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] pantswilder
The bit with the unit 731 scientist is odd, it seems to be trying to split the difference between making the Japanese sympathetic by listing US atrocities, but shoots that goal entirely in the foot by having it come from the mouth of someone who participated in one of the worst things man has ever done to another man.

Re: Space Battleship Yamato, the spaceship from that show was supposed to be the actual battleship our uber is named after, dredged up from the ocean floor and converted for space flight. :)

Re: Dourness, Uber is kind of like The Leftovers, it is masochism to consume it. I love so much about the story, but the deep unfairness of the situation and plot armor the villains bear is infuriating. I cannot tell if I think it is a deeply unpleasant, but ultimately great work, or the comic I hate most in the world. :)

Date: 2017-06-02 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] doodleboy
For the 731 scientist (apparently real historical figure Shiro Ishii) I didn't see it as a way to gain sympathy for Japan, I saw it more as a propaganda ploy. He's essentially trying to push Hideki to hate the USA as a vengeful zealot. Which is why he keeps trying to drill the photos of bombings and camps into his head repeatedly.

And Hideki is already too familiar with the realities of war and is too humanistic to buy any of it. Note when the 731 scientist says "Trust me I know what happens in camps" Hideki goes "Wait, what the hell did you do in China?". And when 731 tries another line of faux-poetry, Hideki immediately sees through that as well.

Which begs of the question what in the letter would make Hideki commit atrocities for a totalitarian state? Instead of just murdering Ishii and going off on his own?

Honestly what's more disturbing to me is that earlier in the story Kieron made sure when he used Mengele as a character that it was clear that he was an incompetent butcher. Shiro Ishii doesn't get this treatment. Maybe it's because in his work really did create biological weapons (which they apparently planned to drop on San Francisco). Like I said I really wished Kieron was still doing writer's notes for this series.

For the Yamato bit, I actually didn't know the Space Battleship Yamato was really supposed to literally be Yamato. But that's what made the scene disturbing to me. There is a subculture that is obsessed old military equipment like the Yamato. Even Miyazaki who hated that the Yamato was made into a heroic symbol in a kids show (and parodied it in Nausicaa), later made a movie about the inventor of the Zero Fighter.

Which is fine and harmless now. People everywhere tend to be fascinated by military and military history. But then we see that subculture echoed in a time where that sort of obsession isn't harmless, reviving the Yamato as a symbol of military pride for a fascist state that committed countless war crimes. Even displaying a model of the ship in that scene.

The series has a balancing act of portraying evil fanatics saying what they believe, while still making sure that we know what they say is entirely bull. I remember the series getting some blowback for being Nazi propaganda when it was first released.

Edited Date: 2017-06-02 02:03 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-06-02 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] pantswilder
Heh, that is funny, in my first reading my brain added a word changing the line to "Trust me I know what happens in THOSE camps", like he was claiming knowledge of the inner workings to the US Japanese internment camps. The real line definitely changes the scene, and actually yeah, to take your argument further, it kind of makes the scene pointless.
Other than being "cute" references to the history of Unit 731, what was the point of that dialog at all? To debase Hideki by showing us he knows Ishii's evil but ignores it? That he is aware his side is unworthy of his loyalty? Or what?

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