Date: 2017-06-28 06:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
*cocks head* I think I can hear my Superman/WW fangirl friend screaming in anguish from here...

So correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this breaking a longstanding taboo for Wonder Woman to remain 'pure' by not confirming sexual relationships? Or is that a thing I made up in my head? (Not saying I'm in favor of said Taboo, by the way. Just thought it was a thing. I was surprised when the movie broached this topic as well.)

In theory I like this, but I think I read too much New!52 Justice League where Steve was the wounded cast aside puppy. I'm sure this book has done a lot to rehabilitate that, but with that as my primary exposure to the character (aside from the movie), this comes as a bit of a swerve.

Date: 2017-06-28 06:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
-So correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this breaking a longstanding taboo for Wonder Woman to remain 'pure' by not confirming sexual relationships? Or is that a thing I made up in my head? (Not saying I'm in favor of said Taboo, by the way. Just thought it was a thing. I was surprised when the movie broached this topic as well.)-

I think you're right that it's been there, but it's most assuredly ditched, and not just here.

She still needs a girlfriend too ^^

Date: 2017-06-28 07:21 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
rucka pretty much said she has had them. but yes, it should also be shown.

Date: 2017-06-28 07:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
The writers really aren't the problem in this zone- iirc Gail said she wanted Hippolyta and Phillipus get married.

DC just needs to let someone let loose :)

Date: 2017-06-28 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
FWIR, Gail said DC actually greenlighted the marriage and DanDidio himself was on board with it, but it did not materialize because she left the book before she could do it
Granted, why noone decided to do it anyways is anyone's guess.

Date: 2017-06-28 09:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Well at that point they wanted a sales boost and gave it to JMS thinking "letting a big name do his own thing will do that,"... we know that turned out. Then came nu52 and we know what happened with *Azzarello*. So it was quite a few years before anyone was in a position to consider continuing off of prior plot points.

Date: 2017-06-28 07:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
it was implied that "It's paradise... it's supposed to be a land of happiness and joy and love, and that INCLUDES sex. so since the island was inhabited by women, you draw your own conclusions, but yes.


its been implied she has had relations before.

Date: 2017-06-28 09:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
What we really need is Diana's ex girlfriend to show up from the island. And then strike up a friendship with Steve, because they're cool like that.

Date: 2017-06-28 09:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i would LOVE that.

Ex: Does she still do that thing after sex where she says.
Steve: PRAISE HERA!
Ex and Steve: HAHAHAHA
Ex: Hera came down once to ask her to please stop doing that. It made things very awkward on the island for a while.
Steve: Oh my god! Hera came down for you too?
Ex: She came down again?
Steve: She said she thought since she wasn't on the island any more it was safe...
Diana: *face in palm* So did I.....

Date: 2017-06-29 10:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
'Xactly ^^

Date: 2017-06-28 10:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
I think they did exactly that in the Bombshells comic.

I mean, I don't know for sure because I dropped it (I LOVED the first TPB, but I didn't like the second one AT ALL, so I lost interest for the series). But I saw a panel on tumblr with Steve and Mera being cool together, and Mera was giving Steve her blessing for his relationship with Diana and telling him that she got Diana's first kiss.

Date: 2017-06-29 10:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Neat.

I'd do a whole thing where said Amazon wasn't just like, a one-time thing or a little hint, they were together but she found the whole 'Princess' thing and social pressure once they were dating a bit too intimidating and broke it off or something along those lines.

Date: 2017-06-29 11:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Gotta be honest, I've never been on board with the "Diana had Amazon girlfriends" headcanon. Because Diana was the only child in the island, and every single adult Amazon watched her grow up from a baby to a woman. It's creepy to me that anybody would date the person they looked after while said person was still wearing diapers.

Which is why I was pretty happy with the ideas of Mera, an outsider, as Diana's first love. I'm all for Mera, or maybe a visiting Bana-Mighdall, or visiting goddess (a low-level one like Hebe would be perfect, she is basically the waitress of the Gods so she is both divine and down-to-earth) or a mermaid or whatever. Anything except the women who raised baby Diana.

Date: 2017-06-29 11:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
The islands are a big place and there's enough that plenty would not be involved in taking care of her. Someone who spent most of the time on the other side of the island and really only got to know her once she was fairly mature.

Like, Diana generally is shown leaving the island well into her 20s, she's no kid.

Date: 2017-06-29 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman #0 showed Diana playing with and training alongside people of her age (namely children), though since everything there has been shown to be 'wrong' that might not count.

Date: 2017-06-29 06:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Oh god don't tell. Wonder Woman is becoming like her sister Donna. A chose your own origin story, Diana can't handle that kind of retcon overload just look at the Hawks! Where are they now I ask oh wait that's right limbo's got them!

Date: 2017-06-28 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
It's been implied (heavily implied) about the amazons in general, but they've been pretty darn coy about Diana specifically (and not just same-sex either, she's been portrayed as weirdly chaste a lot of the time)

Date: 2017-06-29 02:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] idiotalchemist
In the first issue of Rucka's Year One storyline, it's pretty heavily implied that Diana's a bit of a player on Themiscyra. In addition to her (then) current girlfriend Kasia, she was also implied to have been in a relationship with (or still fooling around with) two women named Meghara and Evrayle. Io mentions she doesn't even knwo how many women Diana's been with. So, there's that.

I think the reason Diana's romantic life hasn't really been a focus is because unfortunately writers tend to make a woman's character ALL ABOUT her love life if she has one, ignoring her other storylines even if they're more important (see Black Canary when paired up with Green Arrow under certain writers, and way too many YA novels). Writers know readers won't go for a Wonder Woman who's life seemingly revolves around a relationship, and many don't know how to write women whose lives don't revolve ENTIRELY around their relationship, hence the oddly chaste portrayal of Wondy.

As an ace, I actually don't mind this a lot of the time, since it's something I can identify with, but the real reasoning behind it has always irked me and so long as they don't make Wondy entirely about her romantic relationships, I'm happy to see this bit of her explored (that and my Wondy/Black Canary shipper heart is waiting for the highly improbable day my ship finally sails...come on DC...).

Date: 2017-06-29 07:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
I think another factor in WW not having any relationships prior to Trevor is that she's traditionally been so much younger than the other Amazons. They're all centuries-old immortals, while she grew up as the only child among them, only reaching maturity at the Bullets & Bracers event, whereupon she left the island.

Date: 2017-06-29 03:26 pm (UTC)
idiotalchemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] idiotalchemist
Yeah, point.

Date: 2017-06-29 02:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
I thought the Balck Canary/Huntress ship was more popular, how is the ship fan base size for Wonder Woman/black canary did start in that Wonder Woman team up Gail wrote?

Date: 2017-06-29 03:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] idiotalchemist
Well, that's when I started shipping them. I just thought they were awesome and adorable together.

Date: 2017-06-29 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
What's so weird about being chaste?
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
"So correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this breaking a longstanding taboo for Wonder Woman to remain 'pure' by not confirming sexual relationships?"
Mind you, I don't mean to say you're wrong or right, but that ever really a thing? I remember seeing a page of Superman/Wonder Woman On this site not too long ago where the titular characters were in bed together.

Date: 2017-06-28 07:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I D'aaaaaawed (maybe because I am still having chris pine feels.

Date: 2017-06-28 08:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
This makes me so happy :')

Date: 2017-06-28 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hybrid2
What annoy me is that they keep making the men taller that her.

Date: 2017-06-29 03:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] idiotalchemist
I know. She's canonically 6'2". That's just one inch shorter than Scarecrow, whose defining physical feature is that he's really freaking tall. This is why I love that moment in The New Frontier where Wonder Woman stands in front of Superman and just towers over him. She's an Amazon for goodness' sake.

Date: 2017-07-04 03:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Weird, isn't Superman supposed to be 6'3"?

Date: 2017-07-04 04:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] idiotalchemist

Depending on continuity. Darwyn Cooke wanted to emphasize Wondy's Amazonian physique in New Frontier and what better way to do that than to make her taller than the Man of Steel? I'm guessing that in that particular 'verse Superman is closer to 6'1" while Wondy is anywhere from 6'3" to maaaaaybe 6'4". No matter the exacts, she's supposed to be really tall but most artists are just so used to drawing women shorter than men that they often forget to make Wonder Woman tall. You just know somewhere out there there's one issue of a comic where Big friggin' Barda is drawn as being no taller than any other woman. You just know.

Date: 2017-06-28 10:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
My personal headcanon is that (given that they already state Steve is tired), the both of them just feel asleep in each others' arms.

That's happened to me with a partner now and again. It's nice just to be held, sometimes.

Date: 2017-06-29 03:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
This made me laugh.

Date: 2017-06-29 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
They never actually show anything, so that's just as likely to have happened.

Date: 2017-06-29 12:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
And so ends what is easily one of the best and most recommendably iconic Wonder Woman runs! Thanks, creative team.

On a looking-to-the-future note, why haven't they tapped Greg Rucka to help write the WW sequel, which could be basically this run? I heard Geoff Johns was working on it instead.

Date: 2017-07-02 08:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadwing
Because WB had ZERO confidence in the WW film to the point where they didn't confirm Patty for directing a potential sequel. They had no plans to do anything else with Diana film wise outside cameos.

It was only when the film became a certified HIT and made more than every other film in the new DC Movieverse then they started to scramble

Date: 2017-07-04 03:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
You'd think Diana being the one aspect of Batman v. Superman that practically everyone agreed was done well would have clued them in that the character just might have a future...

Date: 2017-06-29 12:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
*happy sigh*

Date: 2017-06-29 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Moments like these are why I really wanted to like this run, but both the retconning of everything that came before AGAIN and just acting like nothing from the last few volumes really mattered sort of drove me away from the book.

The New 52 could kind of get away with this since that was supposed to be a reboot (whether that worked is debatable), but after the Azzarello run weirdly brought up the Amazons' preestablished backstory just to contradict and morph them into something else, the Finches' run wiped away almost all character development for both Wonder Woman and her supporting cast, and now this one just flat out saying "Those runs were wrong, THIS is the real story!", I'm sort of tired and worried for what comes next.

Please, Shea Fontana, James Robinson, whoever is writing Wonder Woman now: you have an origin story. You have your mythos. Please – please – stick with that.
Edited Date: 2017-06-29 06:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-06-30 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] john_wyatt
Robinson's first arc is supposed to be about exploring Diana's brother Jason. So that's sticking with the latest established universe (whether that's a good story or not....)

Date: 2017-06-30 03:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deepspaceartist
Huh, between this, Bruce and Selina over in Gotham, and Lois and Clark in Metropolis, I wonder if this is the first time in modern comics that the DC trinity has all been in (relatively) stable and happy romantic relationships.

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