Date: 2017-07-05 09:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I think I can already tell that this is the sort of story that's going to well thought out, professionally created have a few good, impressive character scenes.. and is one I just have absolutely not interest in it whatsoever. High bodycount, god mode Joker, been there, done that didn't like it the prvious times.

The randomly picking a house to live in is Joker-ish, but it's a more blatant take on a Paul Dini throwaway creepy reference (and starting by murdering children, oh how excitingly dark we are) (Oh, and Is the Dick Sprang and 69 reference supposed to have a humourous meaning beyond the rather crude obvious one, because that's out of line for one of the most iconic creators in Batman history)

Date: 2017-07-05 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
At this point making a Dick Sprang joke just seems like making a Giant Size Man-Thing joke; I know you think you're the first to make it but we've all heard it before and it just isn't that funny. Neither is the 69 bit because we aren't teenagers anymore (can kids even afford comics these days?)

Of course this story seems to be partly about Joker losing his sense of humor so ...meta joke?

Date: 2017-07-06 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
I think that's it, really. It's not supposed to be *funny,* it's supposed to be the Joker flailing around at things that he thinks *should* be funny, but he can't make the connection between the joke and the laughter anymore, so it just kind of falls flat.

Date: 2017-07-05 01:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
So why hasn't anyone killed Joker again. He's not exactly mortal oh right he has 10 layers of plot armor, the same brand Batman buys.

Date: 2017-07-05 03:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] goattoucher
Fuck Verisimilitude. The comic buying public wants Batman fighting the Joker, so that's what we'll give them, over and over, with no evolution. No resolution. The stakes getting ever higher for the sake of shock value, but bringing how low the stakes truly are into the harsh light of day: the more extreme the Joker's actions, the more we are reminded that he will suffer no permanent consequence.

Because the status quo makes money. Batman is the most popular superhero in the comics. You can't do anything that might interfere with that revenue stream, because DC is, after all, an entertainment company, not an arthouse.

So we get the same, year after year.

Date: 2017-07-05 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
because Time Paradoxes are not funny........ also, this follows Snyder's canon, so The Joker probably has a Lazarus Pit at his disposal when this flashback is set.

Date: 2017-07-05 04:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
I wouldn't be surprised if Joker had Deadpool's healing factor. I would actually be okay with that given his deplorable actions same with Batman having a super soldier serum and installing a super chip in his brain.

Date: 2017-07-06 01:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
I've always theorized that the universe itself won't let Joker die, that he serves some sort of vital purpose to preserving a balance of sanity in a fundamentally insane world, like a steam valve releasing pressure... and whenever he does die or is incapacitated, he just reincarnates one way or another, and to eliminate him completely would just result in something weirder and worse.

Ambush Bug and the Creeper also serve similar, less lethal purposes.

Marvel's manifestations of this phenomena would of course include Deadpool, Madcap, and Slapstick. :)

Date: 2017-07-05 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] aperturedreams
Well, this is a flashback, so Joker's barely started his career, so that question doesn't make quite as much sense here.

Date: 2017-07-05 04:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
I wonder why Batman catches so much flack for having plot armor, when the same could be said of just about every protagonist ever? I just finished watching the Hunger games movies with my daughters, and we all agreed, whatsherface, should have died, or failed to save the day 100x over. All of these characters *with the exception of god like beings, such as Superman* would be dead by now, without plot armor.

Date: 2017-07-06 01:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mesmiranda
To be fair, it's not having plot armour, it's having continual plot armour for close to 80 years' worth of stories. Katniss survives for three books/four movies and then presumably (hopefully) dies a nice, peaceful death of old age off-screen; the Joker has kept not dying and escaping from jail and not dying and foiling the heroes' plans and committing absolutely horrific acts way, way beyond the moral event horizon and not dying well past the point someone would have just said "f*** it" and shot him point-blank.

I mean, if we're going to keep the Joker around, make it a title--a legacy. Have a bunch of imitators ready to take up the mantle. Make it a creepy serial-killer death cult of some kind. But if all he does is keep being (or getting increasingly more) horrific and awful, then he's not a character or a person anymore. He's just a plot device. And the best villains, IMHO, are the ones who are human, the ones you can get--not condone, but get--on a personal level.

Date: 2017-07-06 03:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
I don't think it is so much having plot armor that's the problem as it is the ridiculess extremes some Batman writers take it too. I mean Batman going out into the city and night and facing street level threats and not only surviving but thriving as a force for good in a city is plot armor but its the plot armor everyone is used to and accepts. NO one has a problem with characters who do that because that's what heroic fantasy's are that one man can make a difference so directly.

Batman tends to get criticised though cause in addition to the vigilante of gotham city bit he's also often portrayed way beyond the level of believably and somehow can solve or survive any problem. Mind controlled superman after him Batman can some how hold his own until he can snap him back to reality, Has a suit of armor built to take on the whole justice league. Doomsdays clones attacking no problem he's go ta sword and can take them side by side with Superman, Wonder woman and some amazons.

Batman isn't just a hero fantasy anymore to many writers and readers he's the ultimate power trip objectivist fantasy the ultimate man who can do it all with his smarts, looks, physique and skills. It has reached the cartoonish point and to keep the joker a threat he's been elevated to similar ridiculess themes.

I mean no one has a problem with other street level heroes because they tend to stay street level even when playing in the big leagues they often do support roles but Batman is always on the front lines and front and center because he's DC's biggest draw so the blatant editorial fiats stand out even more.

Date: 2017-07-17 12:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
Everything you said, could be said about Amanda Waller.

Date: 2017-07-05 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] remial
how jaded are the cab drivers of Gotham, where the Joker gets in their cab and they are just like "meh, just another fare"

Date: 2017-07-05 02:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Somebody, in the previous post about this story, mentioned that it takes place shortly after the introduction of the Joker, when he was still fairly new to Gotham.

Granted, Joker nearly murdered the entire city in one of his very first appearances, so he should already be well-known and feared.

But, yeah, he is not yet to the point where every single time he gets out he tortures and kills countless people and has amassed a bigger body count than Al-Qaeda. So random people may still have an excuse to not recognize him.

Date: 2017-07-05 03:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I'd much rather the idea that the Joker just didn't kill cabbies, in fact he's known as a GREAT tipper, because you never know when you might need to hail a cab for a getaway, and you want them to stop for you.

Of course, I'd much rather that, as Neil Gaiman has him tell someone who's too scared to answer when he asks him to watch his car; "I only kill people if it's funny, and what would be remotely funny about killing you?"

Date: 2017-07-06 01:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Yeah, a proper Joker doesn't murder indiscriminately, he does so according to what he thinks is funny, which might change day to day, but is still reflective of his internal narrative.

The Joker in this storyline, one bereft of his sense of humor, would kill on a whim in order to -find- that funny once again.

Date: 2017-07-05 02:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
...Is that Penguin?

Date: 2017-07-05 03:04 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
You'd think so to look at him, wouldn't you.

Whilst I'm not keen on all the villains be that closely linked, if that is Ozzy, I could see him being the type to take advantage of all these dead mob-bosses (What? ANOTHER cull on those in Gotham?) to consolidate his own position in the city.

Date: 2017-07-05 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
-ANOTHER cull on those in Gotham-

Mob bosses: Gotham's rabbits.

Date: 2017-07-06 07:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
They still live longer than they do in the MCU with the Punisher running around.

Date: 2017-07-05 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
"Bruce? Sweety? not that i don't enjoy your story but... could you hurry up a little? you spent half an hour just describing the Joker trying to smile in front of a mirror............... how did you even got to learn that?"

"Well, you see, as i was lookign for them. THe Joker and the Riddler. the war hadn't started still. the body count had still not reached the number that would make everyone understand. this was no normal killing spree, it wasn't just your regular Gotham Killing Spree, which at that point it had become an official designation for the type of killing sprees that Gotham had, which were bigger than the killing sprees of other cities. it was as this was happening, as i was learning the names of the innocent victims that were increasing with each..."

"Forget i asked"
Edited Date: 2017-07-05 03:54 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-05 11:08 pm (UTC)
mizerous: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mizerous
Clearly Batman wants to marry Joker. :V

Date: 2017-07-06 07:38 am (UTC)
dcbanacek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
So The Dark Knight Returns, with the Joker putting on his lipstick and calling Bats "Darling" stems from Bruce leaving the Joker at the altar... so its the ultimate ex seeks revenge story?

Date: 2017-07-06 10:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mesmiranda
Whatever's going on with the story, I gotta say, Mikel Janin is going above and beyond on the art. That Joker is supremely creepy.


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