Date: 2017-07-05 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Why did Guggenheim feel the need to revive the Rachel / Kurt thing?

(No, not influenced by any feeling Rachel could use a girlfriend, not at all...
Especially if they just happened to, by some wild coincidence, be Jewish...)


-"Something really strange is going on outside?"-
"Can't you tell us what it is?"
"At this point, I'd hate to commit myself, and wind up looking like a fool later."

What are they teaching X-Kids if this one can't immediately tell them with a reasonable margin for error what exactly is happening?

Date: 2017-07-05 03:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
If it's just ominous clouds and no immediate action, I can understand not biasing them...

Date: 2017-07-05 04:09 pm (UTC)
tigerkaya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
I thought the popular ship by X-fans was Kitty/Magik?

Date: 2017-07-05 04:19 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Kitty has more than one super close gal pal!

Date: 2017-07-05 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Both kinda skeevy if you think about them for too long.

One's someone who grew up alongside an older Kitty and therefore sees her as family, and the other is an artificially aged little girl / demonic copy of said girl.

I'd grant that they'd still technically be a step up from Kitty / Creepy Stalker Piotr or Kitty / Peter Quill, but that's a very low bar indeed.

Date: 2017-07-05 04:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly
Where do you slot Kitty / Pete Wisdom on that scale?

(Is there something about the name Peter that gets Kitty interested in a man? Ultimate Kitty even dated Peter Parker...)

Date: 2017-07-05 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
I just sort of completely ignore it.

But when I don't, it's probably about in the middle.

Kitty / Xian is about the same.
Probably because Xian has the least potential issues of any potential Kitty romance (no skeevery, no creepiness) but it's a side-effect of Claremont's latter-day "Kitty is the best" stuff.

Date: 2017-07-05 06:16 pm (UTC)
burkeonthesly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly
Kitty/Xian? Must've happened while I was away from comics for a few years, I don't remember even hearing about that ship.

Date: 2017-07-06 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
It was heavily implied in the New Mutants series that led to New X-men. When Dani recruited Xi'an to be a teacher at the school she mentioned having had some kind of relationship with someone who wasn't sure she was capable of having a relationship with a woman and had stopped coming around because she needed time to think. Her siblings later mentioned they wished Aunt Kitty was still coming around.

Date: 2017-07-06 04:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly

Ah, yeah, I think I missed that series completely. Thanks for the heads-up.

Date: 2017-07-06 08:22 pm (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
IIRC there were also some panels before that while Kitty was going to college that showed her hanging out with Xi'an where it was revealed that Xi'an had found a doctor who had managed to undo what Spyral had done to her siblings. Which is where the new mutant creators had been drawing from.

Date: 2017-07-06 11:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly

Also good to know, thanks.

Date: 2017-07-05 06:16 pm (UTC)
burkeonthesly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly

Aw, I love Waiting for the T(rade). Thanks for the relevant link.

Date: 2017-07-05 04:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
I just hated having Kitty in Guardians of the galaxy, frankly I'm glad her and Quill broke up.

As to who Kitty dates Marvel should just admit she's bisexual given Claremont's teasing in past X-men comics.

Date: 2017-07-06 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Was that ever explained how or why they broke up?

Date: 2017-07-07 05:52 am (UTC)
tigerkaya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
(Shrugs) don't know long distance relationships never working out.

Date: 2017-07-05 06:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
I don't have much trouble with them- it's not like she considers them the same Kitty, it's kinda like being into the 'sister' of her Kitty. And while Illyana's artificially aged, it's been enough years that she'd be adult anyway, and she was just a few years behind Kitty to start.


Also, They totally need to meet

Date: 2017-07-06 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Hah, not the link I was expecting to click on (that one is... a little less SFW) but still fun.

Date: 2017-07-06 01:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Hm, that's the only Rachel and Illyana one I can think of... but there is a nice one about how 'platonic' Illyana and Kitty are ^^

Date: 2017-07-06 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
The one I'm thinking of has Rachel run into Illyana and Kitty while the latter two are not *quite* taking a break from playtime to grab a snack.

Date: 2017-07-06 02:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Huh, I don't think I know that one... I can't find it on the site.

Date: 2017-07-06 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Oh, it's not a Waiting for the T comic. Different artist with ah... different sensibilities, I suspect.

Date: 2017-07-06 04:00 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Ah. I'd be fine with it if you could point me to them ^^

Date: 2017-07-06 02:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I've never really seen Kitty and Illyana as a couple, mostly because I see Magik as someone who's not really interested in sex. Close friendships, flirting and a bit of romance yes (all the things she never got growing up in Limbo), and I don't feel qualified to say asexual, but certainly fairly content to be celibate for the moment (I also hesitate to suggest the extent of her abusive childhood in Limbo thanks to Belasco, but there was always the possibility that there was a sexual abuse aspect to it too)

Kitty and Rachel? Oh yes, absolutely 100% a couple in a sexual relationship for much of their time together, not even a question IMHO.

Date: 2017-07-06 02:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Except Magik wasn't artificially aged, she lived every moment of her childhood, it's just that it all happened in Limbo and no time happened on Earth during that childhood.

The Magik who arrived back from Limbo is an actual 15 year old girl, just one who spent ten years+ in a hell dimension, so the last time she saw the mainstream Kitty was 10 years previously.

I don't really see skeeviness there at all.

Date: 2017-07-05 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Well now that the Kitty/Iceman ship has sailed, I just don't want her back with Colossus

Date: 2017-07-06 01:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I don't think anyone does.

Date: 2017-07-06 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Weeeellll...

If, if, the relationship was written as being between two emotionally healthy adults acting in a mature, sensible and healthy fashion that occurred organically, rather than being forced by a writer with hazy memories of comics they read back in the '80s and haven't re-read since then, making at least one party seem like they should be under observation, if not just locked up somewhere, then perhaps maybe one could give it a chance.

But... the chances of that are slim.
Very, very slim.

Date: 2017-07-05 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] onsokumaru
I personnaly ship Magik with Sunspot and Shadowcat with the Trapster.

Date: 2017-07-05 07:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] balbanes
Never really liked Kitty x Illyana, primarily because Kitty and Peter were together for so long. It would be like me dating my brother's ex-fiance. Doesn't matter how long ago they broke up, it would still be squicky.

Date: 2017-07-05 08:11 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Still, she's known Illyana about as long.

Date: 2017-07-05 10:20 pm (UTC)
balbanes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
That... doesn't address the squick factor. But maybe I'm alone in thinking siblings' exes are completely off limits?

I don't mean off limits as in "it's a bad idea" or "you're asking for drama." I mean off limits as in the notion of hooking up with any of my brothers' ex-girlfriends makes me physically nauseous. In my mind, their prior relationship with my brothers gives them quasi-sister status. Is that just me?

Date: 2017-07-06 01:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Ah, yea, it's not normally viewed in that light in my experience.

Like, I know some people find it really awkward, but views vary on how much so, and it depends on the current status of how things are between each of them IMO. Illyana and Kitty have a friendship relationship completely separate from her relationship with Peter, and how things were between Kitty and Illyana didn't change that much when Kitty and Peter were dating.

For me, it definitely doesn't trip the 'family member squick' switches.

Date: 2017-07-05 07:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] balbanes
(No, not influenced by any feeling Rachel could use a girlfriend, not at all...
Especially if they just happened to, by some wild coincidence, be Jewish...)
Right there with ya. My exact thoughts on reading that scene were "I guess this mean Kitty x Rachel isn't happening anytime soon. Damn."

Date: 2017-07-05 04:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drmanbot
I've always shipped Kurt and Wanda, ever since the exiles and their daughter showed up.

They're both eastern European, into the occult, and like long walks on the beach.

Date: 2017-07-05 07:39 pm (UTC)
balbanes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
And Kurt has dated magic-users before!

Date: 2017-07-05 08:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Kurt/Wanda was definitely one of the better parts of the Wolverine and the X-Men> show. The shared heritage thing seems forced, but otherwise they'd actually be really good for each other. Wanda could use someone with Kurt's lightness.

Date: 2017-07-06 01:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Why is it forced? Growing up as Romani has been part of their lives for decades.

Date: 2017-07-06 07:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Because merely being part of the same ethnic group isn't enough of a foundation for a relationship, and it carries the implication that people belong with "their own kind". It's like when Hudlin threw Storm and Black Panther together, mainly on the grounds that they were Marvel's two preeminent black characters.

Date: 2017-07-05 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
And they both have incredibly irritating parents.
(Though really, Kurt has Wanda beat on the parent front.)

The only real downside is that this would potentially mesh the Lensherr family tree with the Darkholme family tree, finally allowing it to transcend the corporeal form, and break through into the Realms Beyond, seeking room to expand.
Of course, by that point everyone will have been driven insane by the mere "sight" of it, so it's not like anyone will care much.

Date: 2017-07-05 04:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
I like Kurt and all but didn't this ship already sail and sink once before.


Oh well anything is a step up from fucking John Sublime.

Date: 2017-07-05 08:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Kurt, please stop dating who only technically not related to you.

Date: 2017-07-05 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] nightauditguy
You would think if someone in the Marvel or DC universe said 'something is happening', the followup question would be 'is [long list of various villains or brainwashed and/or misguided heroes attacking] followed by [long list of aliens and/other dimensional beings attacking]?

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