Date: 2017-07-07 11:30 pm (UTC)
freezer: (Make It Stop)
From: [personal profile] freezer
Will someone one PLEASE get that poor girl a therapist?!

Date: 2017-07-08 01:17 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
She has a stuffed monkey?

Date: 2017-07-08 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
I know a running theme here is that most of the other supers are terrible but this is horrible even by the very low standards of the Superhomies. No wonder one of their old teammates tried to murder them all.

Date: 2017-07-08 01:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Yea. Though note the council is non-Homies aside from Rivet.

I can sorta get what they're going for, since it *is* a literal extinction level weapon in play, but there are better ways to take her off the field.

Date: 2017-07-08 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Ah, I thought these were the new Homies or something

Edited Date: 2017-07-08 03:47 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-08 04:01 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Nah, this is the supracommunity leadership. Which, mind you, is not all that much more assuring.

There's a lot of context missing since these are pages from across several chapters.

Date: 2017-07-08 05:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
I was thinking just that.

Technically, they ARE correct that letting a person with an extensive history of being kidnapped stroll out of the base with extinction-level weapons would be a TERRIBLE idea. Putting her in a super secure facility, temporarily, while they develop a way to isolate her powers, IS the smartest solution.

But Jesus fuck you can do that without being an utter and complete asshole.

How hard would it have been, to take fifteen goddamn minutes to politely and respecfully explain the issue to Emp? To ask her to go to this prison willingly, after assuring her that it is just a temporary precaution to protect the whole of humankind while they work on a real long-term solution, and offer to take care of her things on Earth while she is away? To make sure her stay in that place is comfortable and as close to pleasant as possible, and deliver her messages to her loved ones so they know she is well cared for?

It's like those sadistic bastards take glee in treating her like garbage.

Date: 2017-07-08 08:10 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Yea, she was pretty much already informed, but they were still gigantic asses. I don't think they were taking sadistic glee, but they were viewing her entirely as something-to-be-locked-up.

Heck, this is pretty much Rivet's exact argument!

It should be noted pretty much the point of Glassbreak is everyone's-in-cryo... they might not have standard cells..... hm, though "making her a pseudo-guard save for ability to leave," could be an option...
Edited Date: 2017-07-08 09:17 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-08 01:38 am (UTC)
crabby_lioness: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
Soooo, nobody thought of getting her a personal trainer to work out her problem? Like a sensible person would do?

Date: 2017-07-08 04:05 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Emp does undergo a fair amount of training- her combat level has improved as things go on.

Date: 2017-07-08 01:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alicemacher
Couldn't she just... not be a superhero anymore? Wear regular civvie clothes over the membrane, change her hair colour and/or style, and start a new life? Or is she bound (no pun intended) by some sort of vow or "we have your family" threat or something?

Date: 2017-07-08 02:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
The membrane isn't stuck on her. It's just a suit, and as long as it's got some substantial fraction of coverage left, it still gives her powers.

Her issue is twofold: one, she really likes the "being a hero" part of being a superhero, though she's not a big fan of the office politics or most of her co-workers, and she actually has a lot of wins on her record that aren't shown here (this volume in particular, after this scene, is about 90% Emp being awesome), and two, her degree is in superhuman studies and she'd be starting from flat zero if she tried to do anything else with her life.

Date: 2017-07-08 03:06 am (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
Ah, I see. So she actually does get to succeed much of the time. From these scans it looked like she was a designated loser and I was wondering what the hell point of the story was.

Date: 2017-07-08 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
She's actually a lot more competent than most of her world's superheroes*. Most of those "heroes" badmouthing her would be dead if not for Emp. Unfortunately she also has an easily exploitable and - thanks to some unfortunate media coverage - well-known weakness.

*Other than that cross dressing guy. Maid Man is basically Batman in drag.
Edited Date: 2017-07-08 03:36 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-08 03:54 am (UTC)
freezer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] freezer
Also, the suit getting damaged is only half the problem. The other half is that the suit's power waxes and wanes with Emp's self-confidence. And she's had self-confidence and body image issues from the start - something not helped by A) the suit being skintight and ultra-thin, B) not being able to wear anything under or over it (or it stops working), C) the aforementioned team full of jerkasses, D) The world at large treating her as a fetish object or a joke.

Date: 2017-07-08 04:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
I wouldn't say that she's more competent- heroes like Rivet are definitely more effect in day to day situations, but she does have a habit of coming through in a pinch.

Also, her competency level has improved. Vol 1 Emp really was none to impressive. Later on she still gets captured not too rarely, but the level of villains who do so gets better.

Date: 2017-07-08 10:25 pm (UTC)
lb_lee: M.D. making a shocked, confused face (serious thought)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Man, I can't wait to see what happens with Maid Man. I have a suspicion about him and I want to see if it's true and how Warren handles it if so. Super-curious!

Date: 2017-07-10 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Just wondering, where do you think the series is going with MM

Date: 2017-07-08 04:02 am (UTC)
stolisomancer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
She's had a rough road. She started as a comedy fetish character from paid commissions, and gradually Warren started adding a personality and a world around her, until eventually she hit some kind of critical mass around book #5 and started kicking absolutely unholy amounts of ass when her back was to a wall.

Date: 2017-07-12 08:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
This. You could tell Warren was getting bored with the bondage gimmick around the end of Volume 2, and she just developed massively from there. I was incredibly hyped at that point in Volume 9 where Deathmonger, of all villains, gives her a free pass just that once; I could not imagine the Emp of volume 1 or 2 having that kind of effect on a villain.

Date: 2017-07-08 04:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Like the Flamingo said, her stats are surprisingly solid *if* you ignore the tendency to get captured, which does, granted, happen a lot. How much that is varies through the volumes... early on she's a newbie having a rough time of it (early stories start out with comedic shorts, btw), but when the wins do come, they feel so very earned. Oh, and 'Being captured' and 'staying captured' are often two different things, if you get my meaning.

And... she's incredibly heroic, and I find her to be one of the better paragons of heroism in superherodom, believe it or not. For being a cheesycakey comedy, Emp is seriously one of my fav superhero comics. Solid romance, too ^^

Date: 2017-07-08 04:04 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Yea, that's the other thing, separating her from the suit seems a less-severe option.

Though I could see the worry being, well, the suit may be how she learned the codes, but now she has 'em in her memory.

Date: 2017-07-08 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
1. There's a very real possibility that she's doomed to eternal life, and when she dies she'll need to join the superdead community

2. The only thing keeping Emp from quitting is Emp herself. As she said to Fleshmaster/dWarf, this is who she is

Date: 2017-07-08 04:02 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
She's not a bargainer, so 1 is unlikely

Date: 2017-07-08 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
They deliberately left it vague as to whether or not she was a bargainer in the volume that first introduced the concept, and even implied that she suffocated to death in her first mission. If they ever directly addressed it, I don't remember.

Date: 2017-07-08 08:12 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
We saw the origin, so I'm relatively confident... she's entirely too spry to be a supradead too.

I think she just views it as terrifying.

Date: 2017-07-09 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
I'm a little behind, but when do we see her origin?
Also, IIRC the bargainers all had different takes on who exactly they made a bargain with. For example, in soldier of love the titular enemy was explicitly stated to be a bargainer but her magical Peruvian pangolin stuck around while most bargainers don't.

Date: 2017-07-09 12:40 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Same volume with the superdead.

She gets her supersuit in the mail.

Date: 2017-07-12 08:19 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Given the implications in volume 10 that either the suit - or possibly Mindf**k - has been improving her health and her brain in particular, it could be that not everything is as it seems. It wouldn't be unlike Warren to suggest that memory's something the suit planted there - given she also has no memory of her zappy-angel mode from way earlier on.

Date: 2017-07-12 08:49 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
I wouldn't be a fan of that level of manipulation, narratively at least.


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