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Uber Invasion #7, by Kieron Gillen and Daniel Gete. One thing about this book's heavy focus on the mechanics and specific power levels of all the super-combat is that it creates genuine worry for the characters you like whenever they're severely outmatched. In most fiction, even ones perfectly willing to kill off major characters, there's still that inescapable arbitrariness of who lives and dies. Even when a character's completely outpowered or outnumbered, we know they're just one Clever Strategy (or Weak Asspull) away from turning the tables, and whether that happens is purely up to storyteller's whim. But Uber's strategy PC game-esque approach minimizes that feeling. When someone's majorly outpowered in Uber, your fingers are biting into the armrest as you wonder if they'll make it.

Saga #44, by Brian Vaughan and Fiona Staples. Both this and Paper Girls are these weird series where I really enjoy reading each issue but find it *impossible* to remember what happened in them. By the time the next issue's out, I've completely forgotten what happened in the last one, even the really major cliffhangers/reveals. (The same is true for The Wicked + The Divine, though that's not a Vaughan book.) I have no idea why, but these books just evaporate from my mind when I'm done reading. It's weird because it's not like they're without substance or anything. All of these books deal with meaty themes and emotions and all that good stuff, but it just doesn't stay in my head. Anyone else have this experience?

Date: 2017-07-13 05:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
I've had that experience before, but never with those particular books. Wicdiv in particular is at cliffhanger-level for me.

Date: 2017-07-14 09:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
In fact I often feel that way about Über! My memory for Über plot machinations only reaches as far as one or two issues.

Date: 2017-07-13 09:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mistersandman
I have the exact same experience with Saga. I think the long breaks between arcs doesn't help, but then again, I'd completely forgotten about last month's half-centaur(!) until you posted these scans. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the series spends a lot of time on side characters that are individually diverting, but taken together, not entirely memorable? It's easier for me to remember developments that happen with the main family (and also Sir Robot) issue to issue, though I couldn't tell you where we left off with the Will or the aquatic journalists or Ghus or...

Date: 2017-07-13 09:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Hm, I find I don't have the problem as much, but I trade-read it... though yea, side characters aren't that memorable, I'm guessing because they have fairly high turnover.

Date: 2017-07-13 11:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mistersandman
The high turnover rate definitely doesn't help.

There have been significant diminishing returns for me when it comes to side character investment. I was heartbroken when Marko's dad and the author guy died. When Petrichor inevitably dies, the only thing that will be shocking is the number of issues she survived.

Date: 2017-07-13 11:39 am (UTC)
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Yeeea, I'd rather just have them move on past side characters rather than leave such a big bodycount behind them.

Date: 2017-07-13 09:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
This was a good Uber issue- and not showing the Zephyrs? Aw!

I think most people will be satisfied with that ending!

Date: 2017-07-14 09:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
Yeah the Zephyrs battling was super cool (Gillen probably hates me now), and the artistic decision to show speedsters in absolutely static, frozen frames without any indicators of movement was… it was great! I wonder if mainstream superhero comics ever tried that technique?

Date: 2017-07-14 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] pantswilder
I'm a little surprised they went with what they did. I am gonna get spoilery here, though I will try to be as vague as possible. Gillen still seems to be trying really hard to make sure there are no truly positive events in Uber. Throughout the first volume Siegfried was relentlessly evil, just the sort of guy you'd want taken down a peg. But his characterization in Invasion has been largely that of a hapless victim, insulted and belittled by his allies and, despite his power, constantly having to be saved by Sigmund. So what happens to him feels a bit like victimization, not justice.
And worse, the other major Axis characters (with the exception of Goebbels) have all been portrayed as sympathetic. Sigmund is nothing if not the personification of the "clean Wehrmark" myth. In fact, despite the vague acknowledgement in the background of Sigmund having burned cities just like Siegfried, I cannot think of a single panel showing him killing a non-combatant (assumedly he destroyed DC and all the civilians there, but they never show him on-panel doing it). Yamato is the dupe of propaganda, and Sieglinde is avenging her bombed family. Gillen does not seem to sufficiently hold them accountable for their actions. With the "Evil Nazi" character out of the way, the comic runs the risk of appearing to preach some sort of moral equivalence.

Date: 2017-07-14 09:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
I've never felt Siegfried is hapless- less formidable than Siegmund to be sure, but he did plenty of fighting back at Nantucket. Wars rarely are about justice- the emphasis of practicality has long remained. And... we did see Boston, which was Siegmund.

And I seriously doubt he's going to start preaching equivalency *now* of all times. Rather I think he's done a good job of showing just how horrible the Nazis are, better than most do. Yamato? He has awareness that it's propaganda but will do what's expected anyway. Sieglinde? She's kinda expecting to die but keeps getting worse injuries instead. I don't see the getting off light or not held accountable.
Edited Date: 2017-07-14 09:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-13 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] beeyo
"Anyone else have that experience"

I was quite literally thinking the same exact thing when o clicked on this. "I know I read this issue of Saga, why can I never remember what happened in this damn series?" I almost always have to go back and reread the last issue, and it's only Saga that this happens with.

I think maybe I'm just used to comics always recapping what happened in the last issue somehow, and Saga just always kind of picks up where it left off instead of holding your hand through everything. Which I guess is a good thing? Certain books do it way too much, Tom King immediately jumping to mind. Batman is now a biweekly book, do we really need a total recap every issue?


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