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We tried this a couple of months back, and though I didn't think it proved popular enough to be a very regular feature, this being the weekend of D23 (The major Disney Expo) there are a few movie and TV related bits of comic book news that might be of interest.

First up, the opening titles for the Big Hero 6 cartoon have been released

I think I'm going to like this.

Avengers: Infinity Gauntlet

We've had our first glimpse of what the Infinity Gauntlet will look like in the movie


Some new characters for the bad guys were revealed too. In case people want to avoid spoilers, I'll link, but not post to the images. Here they are, if you want to see them

The Tick (2017) trailer is also out.

The Gifted

Something which seems to have slipped into the schedules almost unnoticed with the kerfuffle over "Inhumans", is the new Fox series, "The Gifted", which features several X-Men chartacters and is set in the X-Men universe.

The brief character trailers have been compiled here but the poster has requested no embedding, so if you want to see them, go to the link.

Slightly odd choice of established characters perhaps (Polaris, Thunderbird and Blink?) and new ones Eclipse, and the name Strucker is asking for trouble (A little too close to Von Strucker, unless it's going to turn out that the kids have an Auntie and Uncle who go by the name Fenris or something) but I like the idea of Sentinel Services (Which does sound like the way such a program would be intorduced rather than "Let's cut straight to the forty-foot tall murder-bots".

And so we're not totally based on US products, the final trailer from Luc Besson's "Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets" based on the French bande dessineé series "Valerian and Laureline" by Pierre Christin and Jean-Claude Mézières.

Date: 2017-07-17 11:34 am (UTC)
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"1. Tilda Swinton replaced an Asian character and they kept the location in Asia. Do you see the difference? Why keep Kamar-Taj in the Himalayas if the Ancient One, the oldest and most experienced living sorcerer supreme wasn't of Asian descent? Because they wanted to use the exotic and oriental mysticism without actually giving focus or importance to Asian characters."

So if the Ancient One was in a non-Asian location there'd be no controversy? Not that they took an Asian character and made them white?

Also it doesn't excuse anything but Disney was concerned about China money and didn't want to get the film banned because of the Tibetan aspect.

"2. There's a huge difference in the visibility of a character like Cyborg and a minor Z-List character like Fredzilla. Fred's Ainu heritage was only mentioned once in his entire existence. And it was by another character not Fred himself. That's not to say that his inclusion isn't important, but that most people simply wouldn't have read that scene and thus they wouldn't know he was Ainu.
Cyborg has existed for decades, has appeared in multiple cartoons, games, and movies. He exists in the public consciousness as an African American man
Almost nobody had heard about Fred before the movie came out.
That's just not an equivalent comparison."

No one cares about Killmonger from Black Panther. Would making him Jesse Eisenberg be ok then with you? Because again Jesse Eisenberg is clearly a POC under your definition so therefore no whitewashing.

But either way you're saying "in some cases erasing an Asian character is ok".

"3. Khan IS an Asian character, his full name is Khan Noonien Singh. Cumberbatch got some critical blowback online but his career hasn't suffered for it at all. If anything its stronger than ever.
Tilda Swinton's career hasn't suffered either. She still has a number of major roles coming up.
It was a paycheck to them and they don't really care if anyone was offended. "

But there was still far more controversy than anything in BH6. Which was my point.

But yes -- Asian whitewashing is never going to be a serious blowback period.

"Secondly what about Japanese-American people? They have their own perspectives on the blending of Japanese and American culture. How many of them were offended by San Fransokyo? "

I didn't do a polling but a number of Asian people on Tumblr found the name itself to be offensive let alone the whitewashing and appropriation of Japanese culture.
Edited Date: 2017-07-17 11:40 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-17 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
1. Tilda Swinton's Ancient One? If they completely reworked the concept of Kamar-Taj from the ground up and moved the location so that it wasn't in the Himalayas and they didn't rely on Oriental mysticism when teaching Strange, then it would be a completely different situation. And at the very least it would be far less exploitative.

There'd still be controversy but personally I'd respect the adaptation more.

2. Erik Killmonger is an African man whose motivations have included "removing white colonialist cultural influences from Wakanda". Making him a Jewish man wouldn't make sense.

Meanwhile Fred was from Hokkaido but raised by Americans and was valuable to their mission in America because he could assimilate and act like a regular American. I've already said that it was unfortunate that they erased his Ainu heritage and that they should have done better.

But you know what, you got me, I concede. I do think sometimes it is okay to erase an Asian character. In this case where the characters are completely unrecognizable from their origins as 2 dimensional caricatures. In this case where the main protagonist is still Japanese. In this case where there is a great deal of representation for a number of other minority groups because intersectionality matters too. You have an African American male and two women of color all in STEM fields, they are all incredibly smart and responsible and capable of disagreeing with the protagonist when he goes too far.

3. So you're complaining that people aren't as offended by a feel good children's movie. People hold multimillion dollar Summer blockbusters that are intended for a wider and more mature audience to a higher standard, go figure. Doctor Strange had a larger target demographic. And with that larger audience of people who watch MCU movies comes the potential for a larger blowup.
And at the end of the day, Big Hero 6 still had better representation than Doctor Strange. It was still an opportunity for Asian American voice actors to be in the starring roles.

Yes I agree the name San Fransokyo could be better.
Are you Asian? Because like I said, I am and this movie didn't feel like appropriation. Maybe these people on tumblr have a different perspective, like I said earlier ymmv. But to me this didn't seem like a whitewashing of Japan, it was combining elements of San Francisco with elements of Japanese culture. There is a difference between sharing culture and stealing it or wearing it like a costume. This is a story of immigrants allowing their culture to evolve in a new country, and sharing it with their new neighbors.


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