Date: 2017-08-26 01:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
A review of this story asked would people really become mind-bogglingly reckless if all printed words became gibberish.

Date: 2017-08-26 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
Sa pedgwf jb lqc pl dfg cvyui'l wqhg nhtrgbvfred pzqmhdui.

Date: 2017-08-26 04:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah-nagl fhtagn

Date: 2017-08-26 06:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
You won't trick me!!!

Date: 2017-08-26 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon

Date: 2017-08-26 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
Cover: "Dammit, I can SEE you, crow. What are you even hanging around here for? This is a desert! I swear, I kill the Justice League just to use their costumes to make a bunch of scarecrows, and they don't even WORK. Times like this, I almost understand how the rest of humanity got started on pesticides."

Date: 2017-08-26 03:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
Interesting, Bruce's parents are dug up (his catalyst to become Batman), J'onn becomes living flame, his one weakness, and Arthur fears water, which he needs to survive. Plas loses his flexibility.

I though for a minute that Clark's love of words was being used against him (maybe it is).
Edited Date: 2017-08-26 03:03 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-26 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
I am sort of amused that he's surprised the newspaper is gibberish. Aside from headlines, most newspaper text in comics is gibberish.

Date: 2017-08-27 04:15 am (UTC)
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Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Date: 2017-08-27 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Only if you believe the fake news in the failing Daily Planet. I get my information from the Daily Star.

Date: 2017-09-01 01:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
I'm a Daily Bugle man, myself.

That reminds me, did you hear what that jerk Spider-Man did? Too bad there weren't more pictures.
Edited Date: 2017-09-01 01:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-26 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] owlbrigade1
V pna bayl erzrzore ovgf naq cvrprf bs guvf fgbel, V'q sbetbggra ragveryl gur jbeq whzoyr cneg. V xabj gung frrzf gb or gur vzcbegnag ovg, ohg vg unq fyvccrq zl zvaq ragveryl.

Date: 2017-08-26 08:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe

Date: 2017-08-26 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Looking back, I don't really see why "Aquaman's afraid of water!" would be a hard problem to solve for the JLA as a whole. I mean, sure, he might die of dehydration before he could bring himself to get wet, but the League had a panoply of speedsters, flying bricks and teleporters that could drop Arthur in the middle of the ocean whether or not he cooperated.
Were they just worried that he'd have a heart attack from sheer panic if they dunked him against his will?

Date: 2017-08-26 11:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Yea, they could keep him alive without that much trouble, but he's still effectively out of action. He's no good if he's catatonic after taking a dip.

Date: 2017-08-27 04:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly
Or, y'know, sedate him and put him on an IV drip until he sleeps it off. He's out of action, sure, but you don't need comic-book-ridiculous solutions to get around that one.

Date: 2017-08-27 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
That's pretty much what they do in a later issue. I just think it's funny that Wonder Woman tries aimlessly flapping a damp rag in Aquaman's general direction for a while first.

"Hmm, this isn't working...nope, Arthur really doesn't like me waving this in his face...wonder what would happen if I waved it some more? What if I wave two wet rags at him at the same time? And kind of make little pouncing movements with them? Oh wow, he's super freaked-out now..."


"Fine, Mr. Boring, I'll get the sedatives."
Edited Date: 2017-08-27 08:03 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-26 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jeremyp
Thanks for posting.

To this day, the part of this story that seems most ridiculous to me is that the JLA is so mad at Batman for having plans to deal with them if they went bad. In a world full of clones, dimensional duplicates, time travel, mind control and everything else, the entire team should be planning for what they will do when they inevitably have to fight each other, or fight others with the exact same power sets.

Any team like that should be actively training for such scenarios. It should come up in their second meeting. "Hey, what if a bad Kryptonian/Speedster/Martian/Green Lantern/Atlantean showed up? What would we do about that?" But in the story as written, it has apparently never been discussed.

Date: 2017-08-26 10:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
I always felt that isn't so much that he had plans. "That Batman always making plans, what a nutter." I think the problem they had was that the plans WORKED.

Date: 2017-09-01 01:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
"I still don't get why you're so angry. There's clearly a chance any one of us could go rogue, and the rest need to be prepared to stop them, no matter what."

"Well sure, that makes sense, but dammit Bruce, these plans actually WORKED!"

"...if you think that's a problem and that I'd waste my time creating plans with the intent that they wouldn't work..."

Date: 2017-08-26 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Part of the issue is that these plans were terribly cruel and potentially lethal.

They seem harsher than what he has planned for his worst enemies.

I know the plans were supposedly altered to be deadly, but I don't see how the plan to turn J'onn's skin into a neverending fire and dangerously dehydrating Arthur weren't already potentially lethal.

Date: 2017-09-01 01:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
In J'onn's case, it might have been meant to weaken rather than kill. As for Arthur, the intent might have been to incapacitate him and neutralize him enough so that they could bring him in and try to help him.

Date: 2017-08-26 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
I always interpreted the problem as Batman doing all of this on his own without anyones knowledge or input. I believe its wonder woman who specifically mentions the betrayal of Batman potentially using their most intimate, broken and open moments with him as ammo in his contingencies.

Date: 2017-08-26 11:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Yea, having contingencies is actually a fairly good idea.

Some of the methods... not so much.

The anti-GL plan actively involves having access to Kyle Rayner while he sleeps. It's personal and not good for GLs who are more openly hostile. It's a plan to betray Kyle Rayner specifically.

Date: 2017-08-26 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
Right, in the backup story from Secret Files and Origins where Batman is developing these plans, he specifically takes a comment from Kyle Rayner that he'd hate losing his sight because it would impact his art career as the basis for his plan. That's not a plan for an evil GL or even a mind controlled Kyle. That's an attack plan for Kyle Rayner specifically

Date: 2017-08-27 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
Okay, in Kyles case, I can almost understand. At the time, Kyle was the only Lantern left. This was before they turned Parallax into the big yellow space bug, and during this period Bruce had had a serious problem with Hal, or people even speaking well of him. As far as Bruce was concerned, he went crazy, murdered a lot of people, and then tried to murder a lot more, becoming incredibly powerful in the process. If Kyle had a breakdown, it makes sense that Bruce would have plans to target him in a way that disabled him.

The thing was, the presentation always seemed off for me. Bruce planning for worst case scenarios made sense. But the way it was written seemed to have Bruce treating it as inevitable, and a little too spiteful for my liking. I would have preferred it if, when making the plans, it was presented as a more regretful act.

That, and the bat-dickery in the aftermath always struck me as just silly.

Date: 2017-08-27 09:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I think my problem wasn't him treating the League the way he did (after all, he's seen good men/women and best friends fall from grace first hand before, like with Harvey Dent) but rather how he seemingly never thought of the possibility that he himself could become a villain, too.

Date: 2017-08-27 10:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
To be fair, maybe his 'I'm a villain' plan was, "... Wonder Woman'll get me."

Date: 2017-08-28 11:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Wonder Woman might not have a weakness like Kryptonite, but he still managed to find ways to subdue her (like here or in Endgame. What if they both go evil at the same time?
Edited Date: 2017-08-28 11:36 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-28 05:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Oh, then everyone's preeeetty much doomed.

I mean, League of One, she implemented an on-the-fly anti-League plan on her own.

Date: 2017-08-28 01:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Nah. It's Alfred.

Date: 2017-08-28 05:40 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Ah, true.

Date: 2017-09-01 01:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
Maybe it's exclusive to the game(s) they were shown in, but I seem to recall Batman having two thoughts on the matter.

One was using hostages as a distraction, and I believe -- as seen here -- the loss of his parents. He adds "think very carefully before you decide to do this."

The other, more general contingency for if he went rogue was simply "the Justice League."

Date: 2017-08-27 10:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
In retrospect the story has a lot of holes, famous as it is- Wonder Woman's is pretty weak sauce too, I don't think a heart attack would kill her, it'd just keep going until it's batteries ran out and she was free.

Date: 2017-08-27 02:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] an_idol_mind
Yeah...this is a Batman who will stop what he's doing to give the Joker CPR right after he nearly destroyed the planet. Yet when it comes to dealing with his best friends, apparently lighting somebody's skin on fire is fair game.

Date: 2017-08-27 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hey, you know what they say.

Light a man a fire, keep him warm for a day. Light a man on fire, keep him warm for a lifetime.

Date: 2017-08-27 09:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I think the important thing is that these plans weren't formulated for evil doppelgängers, brainwashed puppets, clones, identical jobs and species (like Kryptonians, Green Lantern Corps members, Atlanteans, etc.), they were implemented for attacking these specific people (for example, another Green Lantern likely wouldn't care about their sight the same way Kyle Rayner did).

Batman took advantage of their trust and friendship by treating everyone like ticking time bombs, and rather than bringing up his worries about the possibility of such events you described to the rest of the League and the necessity of planning for such an outcome, he hid their existence from everyone else because he didn't trust them enough even after all they had been through.

Batman can take on the Justice League if they turn to villainy, but who's going to take down Batman if or when he gets out of line?

Date: 2017-09-01 02:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
In fairness, if you tell someone you know what their weakness is, that's prompting them to do more to protect it and potentially negating your strategy.

Manager: I'm sorry, but if you don't come up with that money by tomorrow, the bank is going to take your house.

Homer: Well, good luck finding it, because I'm going to take the numbers off tonight!

Manager: Well, we'll look for the house with no numbers.

Homer: Then I'll take off the numbers on my neighbor's house.

Manager: So, well then we'll look for the house _next_ to the house with no numbers.

Homer: [thinks for a bit] All right, you'll get your money.


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