Date: 2017-09-10 08:05 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
"Let's give the main character his or her own Flash Thompson, but make him *more* than Flash Thomspon." That's been done with teen superheroes, usually successfully. Then the Spider-Man writers decided "Let's make Flash's father an abusive alcoholic since that worked with Mary Jane's father."

Date: 2017-09-10 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
What do you mean by "more" than Flash Thompson, exactly?

Date: 2017-09-10 10:13 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Like make Flash Thompson or a Flash type "deeper" than he was in the Lee/Ditko Spider-Man stories. Flash was a jock, but a wiseass instead of a bully.

Another example is Karl Ranck, who was Tim Drake's Flash Thompson, only Chuck Dixon wanted to make him little deeper than Flash.

As I usually do, I am probably over thinking this.

Date: 2017-09-11 12:13 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Flash was very difinitely a bully, constantly putting Puny Parker down for being a brain etc...

Date: 2017-09-11 02:23 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
I meant Flash wasn't a "physically abusive bully." He would insult Peter, which was bad, but not beat on him and get away with it. Although he and Peter did once get in the school boxing ring. I'd have to find the story for details.

Date: 2017-09-11 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
The weird thing is that well... Flash Thompson has been more than Flash Thompson for ages. Ever since before he went to Vietnam.

Date: 2017-09-10 08:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] goattoucher

I understand what they are trying to do here, but the gravitas is somewhat reduced by the fact that she was essentially wearing a domino mask that did not actually hide that much of her face. I mean, how many Pakistani girls does this guy know that he would not be able to recognize Kamala by her build, voice, hair, skin tone, what have you? I appreciate that this trope requires the suspension of disbelief, but that works because they make a point of not drawing attention to it.

This is as if Superman were to sigh heavily and put on his glasses to reveal that he is Clark Kent to one of his friends.

"Gasp! You can't be Clark Kent! Clark Kent is 6'4, 250 pounds of muscle, black haired... square... jawed... :slaps forehead:"

Date: 2017-09-10 08:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
On voice, I'd think she'd be able to disguise it. I don't know that she does, but if she can alter her shape, altering her vocal chords to sound different doesn't seem unreasonable.

Date: 2017-09-10 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Strictly speaking, she is a shapeshifter. She should be able to subtly shift her face. Humans sort people as "different" based on really tiny facial differences. Little longer nose, higher cheekbones, two inches taller, wider mouth... should be doable.

Not that I can remember anything about her actually doing that.

Date: 2017-09-11 04:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] goattoucher
This had occurred to me, but introducing a POC and having them change their appearance would be problematic, however logical it might be.

Date: 2017-09-11 05:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
It might also be just specific denial. One doesn't expect a superhero to be someone you go to school with on a regular basis. It also might be the head up his own ass that made realizing that other people have their own lives secrets and issues made it hard to think about.

Date: 2017-09-11 06:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly
We got new shirts at work earlier this week, and a couple of department managers couldn't recognize me in the new ones at first. Sometimes even a little change is enough to make that disconnect in the mind.

Date: 2017-09-12 05:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katefan
I agree with you there. When I was a kid and was coming home from my paper route one Saturday morning I stopped in a bakery to get some donuts (There wasn't a Dunkin' Donuts or Krispy Kreme on every corner back then.). The woman next to me started talking to me like she knew me and I politely talked with her. It wasn't until I got home that I realized it was Delores, the woman who ran the local comic book store with her husband Dan. I had never seen them outside the store before so I didn't recognize her outside of what I had thought of as her "natural environment". :)

Date: 2017-09-12 12:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
"Wait, so why don't you think Kamala could be Ms. Marvel? They look identical."

"That's exactly why Ms. Marvel can't be Kamala. Ms. Marvel's a shapeshifter who can look like anyone. No one who can change their features would really trust a small mask to protect their identity."


So that's my No-Prize theory. Not that there's any support for it.

Date: 2017-09-13 10:11 am (UTC)
malitia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] malitia
As Nancy in Squirrel Girl demonstrated seeing through even the flimsiest disguises is a near superpower in Marvel.

Date: 2017-09-10 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Is it just me or is the serious political commentary kind of undermined by the guns that go "pew"?

Date: 2017-09-11 08:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mesmiranda
I genuinely didn't notice that at first and now I have the Lego Batman movie stuck in my head. "Pew pew pew!"

Date: 2017-09-11 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Was thinking of Tina Fey as Sarah Palin myself but whatever works

Date: 2017-09-10 10:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reveen
They're Neo-Cons, Amir. The only value they care about is this.
Edited Date: 2017-09-10 10:15 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-09-11 05:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
Strictly speaking, most white supremacists don't think they are racist. "Racists" are people who hate people of other races. Most white supremacists don't actively hate them -- they just firmly believe in the natural inferiority of them. It's a popular conceit in their world.

Date: 2017-09-11 08:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mesmiranda
Every single dictionary out there defines racism as being prejudiced against people of other races. That fits white supremacy pretty nicely.

Also, when the end result is beating up black people in the streets or denying Hispanic people jobs or calling Asian people "inexpressive", I would suggest that it's a fairly meaningless distinction.
Edited Date: 2017-09-11 08:57 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-09-11 12:15 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Oh they definitely ARE racist, but they don't SEE themselves as racist. It's an almost impressive feat of self deception.... despicable, but impressive.

Date: 2017-09-12 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] yap
It's called cognitive dissonance.

Date: 2017-09-13 03:47 am (UTC)
crabby_lioness: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
Oh IRL it's "a difference that makes no difference", but also IRL you'll hear them parrot that line 24/7. It's good to know about it in advance so you can take it down when you encounter it.


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