Date: 2017-09-13 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
So I assume the Magneto - Rogers pact is over.

I really don't see why the mutants surrendered here. They got Magneto, Illyana, Rachel Summers, Polaris, Storm, Rogue, Amara, etc, etc, etc. Sentinels never amounted to anything against mutants. See how many Avengers are willing to go up against all the mutants.

There is plenty of legal precedent in the MU for superhumans just seizing land and the authorities having to negotiate. New Tian could simply have been presented as a fait accompli.

Date: 2017-09-13 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Because mutants can't win a war of attrition.

One on one, most mutants can beat one sentinel. But Sentinels can be replaced quicker and faster than any mutant. A war would eventually turn in their favor.

Besides, the majority of the X-Men wouldn't agree to annexing another nation like this. They just needed something to do while Hydra was kicking around ;)

Date: 2017-09-15 08:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Good reason not to let it turn into a war of attrition then:) Letting the other side set the terms of an armed conflict is not a sound strategy.

And the X-Men all seemed perfectly fine with seizing territory in Utopia.

Date: 2017-09-15 07:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Right. There wasnt even a "Utopia Island is on land legally purchased and owned by Worthington Enterprises" or some legal caveat, IIRC.

Date: 2017-09-16 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
The X-Men wouldn't get a choice in the matter, unless they were willing to cripple the US government.

And taking Utopia, a relatively small island that they raised and maintained is far different from taking an entire state. I doubt anyone opposed them much while Hydra was around, but I doubt many would agree to Emma et al ruling them.

Date: 2017-09-16 06:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Wasn't Utopia literally new land, the remains of Asteroid M fallen to earth? Uncomfortably close to the coast of California, perhaps, but it's not as if they suddenly annexed Golden Gate Park to be the new mutant homeland. looks sideways at the Inhumans...

Yes

Date: 2017-09-18 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] trainradio
Utopia was the remains of one of Magento's Asteroid Ms. They brought it to the surface of the ocean and Namor and the Atlantians built a pillar to keep it from sinking. The New X-Men had an adventure inside where they encountered an old hologram of Magneto during his more fanatical days.

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