[identity profile] geoffsebesta.insanejournal.com posting in [community profile] scans_daily
First, I would like to apologize. I am absolutely humbled by the depth of Legion knowledge that I've seen on this board. Never expected that. Ya gotta admit pre-Zero Hour LSH continuity is a little obscure at this point.

So, yeah, there are people here who know their Legion.

That said, I still don't feel like exhaustively explaining every little thing in the art below -- that's a lot of typing. Giffen's LSH is the densest storytelling this side of the Silver Age.

No, I just want us to look at the pictures right now. We'll get to the themes later.



So once again I present you with the art of Keith Giffen,



LSHv2#2.



*sigh* I mostly posted this page because of the excellent manipulation of depth and space, and not for the cheesy image of the villain standing over the helpless heroine. The fact that she's his sister does not make things any less cheesy.

I've never understood Giffen's relationship to cheesecake, though I'll be the first to admit that his theoretically-sexy women look a lot better when Al Gordon is inking him. It never seems to work. They never look sexy.

I've always got the impression that Giffen knew that half-naked ladies sell comics but had no major interest in drawing them. It feels obligatory.

This panel works because of composition, shadow, and space. The focus is not on Ayla, especially not on Ayla's deshabille.

I dunno. Discuss.


NEAT


Now, THAT is a page.


I detect manga influence here.

This comic was done very shortly after McCloud left the DC bullpen, I believe.



Look, it's awesome. It's cheesy, but it's so awesome. The traditional iconography indicates that Ol-Vir will be the one to betray Lightning Lord, an interesting thread that I don't think they ever pursued.


Pop art! I see a lot of Roy Lichtenstein love around here.


What a great panel. I chose it for the expressions but the dialogue is aces.


Is that a Cerebus joke?




It is. That's a good drawing of a simple thing.


Once again, I am way under 1/3 for this issue so if anyone wants to post more there's plenty space.

EDIT: Ashtoreth has again provided a helpful summary:

The first picture under the cut is Lightning Lord (Mekt Ranzz), brother to the twins, Lightning Lad and Light Lass (Ayla Ranzz). Her powers originally duplicated her brothers' but were altered to lessen items weight (the opposite of Star Boy/Starman's ability) in order to get around a Legion rule that prohibited duplication of powers. With her hands manacled and in a dungeon, her power is useless.

Lightning Lord was born without a twin, and that made him a freak on his home planet. He has serious sibling issues. He decided that Light Lass's rejection of the superhero life means she might be turnable to the Legion of SuperVillains.

Since Lightning Lad, Saturn Girl and Cosmic Boy founded the Legion of Super Heroes, Lightning Lord generally partners with a trio that chose to be their opposites (Cosmic King, Saturn Queen, and Lightning Lord). They showed up in a Superman/Batman story where they kidnapped the two heroes and raised them as evil tyrants in an effort to change history.

The next panel is Dawnstar, a winged Amerindian with an unlikely capability to fly faster than light. She races an energy villain named Lazon who can fly at lightspeed. Best not to think about it too much, but worth noting that, while flying, Wildfire is faster than Superman, and Dawnstar is faster than Wildfire.

In the next series of panels, Wildfire attacks Titania (strong chick) and Magno Lad. Wildfire was turned into a ball of anti-energy years before, and at this point required an energy suit to interact with the world. Wildfire and Dawnstar have just returned from her home on Starhaven (a whole race of winged Amerinds!). She has failed her vision quest to find her soulmate, and despite Wildfire's GIANT EMO over his inability to have sex and really truly be her boyfriend, they are a couple.

The next panel needs little explanation (Titania kicks Ultra Boy into Mon-el) but it does show off Titania's really awful haircut.

The next panel I honestly never realized was based on Leonardo's Last Supper. In my defense, I was a child. :) Lightning Lad may be holding court over the Legion of SuperVillains, but he is not the actual leader. He is group oriented enough that he was a reliable second in command.

The next panel was the punchline to the current Legion leader, Element Lad, congratulating himself on how well he was handling everything. Element Lad had a tendency to panic. In later continuity, he was retconed into having a relationship with a guy, Shvaughn/Sean Erin.

The next panel: supervillain banter! Radiation Roy is..well..a radiation user and Tyr has a sentient gunhand that, oddly, sometimes controls minds. Radiation Roy and Tyr argue over name fashion. In the old days, I'd've said Tyr was right. As an adult, 'radiator' sounds too much like a car part. I believe 'Radiation Roy' could be made to work by a post-modernist writer.

The next panels show an example of the frustrating secret symbols meant to stand for Interlac, the common language of that era. Dr. Gym'll is examining Saturn Girl, who stupidly went into battle while she was 9 months pregnant. The effort started labor. Her husband, Lightning Lad, and the Legion leader, Element Lad, wait anxiously. Element Lad is having a tizzy.

Saturn Girl had a normal child who became known in the letters pages as Nosegrabber Kid. We later learn that her child had a twin that was stolen by Darkseid (and this is the meaning of his parting prophecy) and turned into the giant superstrong mental-lightning shooting monster called Validus, who became a member of the Fatal Five in the past. (They made an appearance in Superman's World War event.

In the next panel, we see the castle that the Legion of SuperVillains has made homebase, along with signs of the alterations they've been making as part of their Grand Plan. In the spaceship are Queen Projectra and her consort, Karate Kid, returning from their honeymoon to Projectra's home planet Orando.

The last panel shows the heretofore unrevealed leader of the Legion of Supervillains, holding the captured ring of either Queen Projectra or Karate Kid. The green mist is Mistmaster, who took down the spaceship by gassing them. The white gloves were a red herring to throw readers' guesses off.

Date: 2009-08-21 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] volksjager.insanejournal.com
Hmmmm, I wanna be Esper lass.

Date: 2009-08-21 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com
Interesting observation on Giffen's use of the feminine form. I'm not sure that Dream Girl and his redesign for the White Witch support it entirely, but I can see the point.

And actually, given that a flight ring is a simple disk at right angles to the edge of a simple ring, I'd say that was a pretty poor drawing, the angles and depth are all wrong.

Date: 2009-08-21 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com
But it's comics

Sorry, but as a browse through any days worth of scans_daily will show you, that's not remotely an excuse.

and it's a totally functional storytelling panel. It's actually a great storytelling panel.

Again, I'd have to say, it's certainly not "great" since the focus of the panel, the flight ring, doesn't actually look like a flight ring looks.

Date: 2009-08-21 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nezchan.insanejournal.com
"That's a good drawing of a simple thing."

Except the perspective on the ring is wrong. We should be seeing the L from above, not dead on.

Date: 2009-08-21 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nezchan.insanejournal.com
Nothing wrong with that, to be sure. And honestly, most people wouldn't notice that it's an unwearable ring (heck, it's even too small for that hand), they'd just see it for what it represents.

Date: 2009-08-22 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr_hermes.insanejournal.com
Sometimes we just like or dislike art (or music) for no good reason. We're complicated enough that we don't always understand our own thinking.

Date: 2009-08-22 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
I wish I could teach MY computer to do that in my style. I'd get a lot more done and my hand would not ache.

Alas, those of us who do NOT like the Poser look...

Date: 2009-08-22 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmdr_zoom.insanejournal.com
Perhaps you're imagining one of those sitting in your hand?

Date: 2009-08-22 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmdr_zoom.insanejournal.com
I might. Fear of heights.
I suppose I could wear it just for the communication and ceremonial/membership functions.

Date: 2009-08-21 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artnouveauho.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com)
I really love the page from this story arc where Lightning Lord keeps telling Ayla to join the bad guys, and every panel of her saying "no" is a closer close-up of her face. (How many comics artists today would focus on the half-naked girl's *face*?)

Other than that, I just wanted to point out that Wildfire's helmet with the energy beam coming out of it looks eerily like a brightly-coloured phallus.

Date: 2009-08-21 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
I sometimes wonder if Radiation Roy got his name because of a typo. It is one of the least threatening villain names ever. And his costume doesn't help.

Date: 2009-08-22 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com
IIRC He is another case of "Legion reject turns to life of supervilainy", so he really wasn't going for badass supervillain stylings when he picked it.

Date: 2009-08-22 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
He's also a pretty sad SOB; the radiation he puts out also hurts him and gives him tumors!

Weird coincidence..

Date: 2009-08-23 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steverodgers5.insanejournal.com
His partner looks a little like Gladiator in that panel. Gladiator...Radiator..hmm..

Re: Weird coincidence..

Date: 2009-08-23 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steverodgers5.insanejournal.com
Huh! I actually didn't know that. Although it does make a lot of sense. Though in this particular instance, I was more meaning that the character (Tyr?) in the panel actually looked a little like Gladiator. So maybe it was a deliberate tongue in cheek dig back at Marvel for ripping off the legion group in the first place!

Date: 2009-08-22 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
The first picture under the cut is Lightning Lord (Mekt Ranzz), brother to the twins, Lightning Lad and Light Lass (Ayla Ranzz). Her powers originally duplicated her brothers' but were altered to lessen items weight (the opposite of Star Boy/Starman's ability) in order to get around a Legion rule that prohibited duplication of powers. With her hands manacled and in a dungeon, her power is useless.

Lightning Lord was born without a twin, and that made him a freak on his home planet. He has serious sibling issues. He decided that Light Lass's rejection of the superhero life means she might be turnable to the Legion of SuperVillains.

Since Lightning Lad, Saturn Girl and Cosmic Boy founded the Legion of Super Heroes, Lightning Lord generally partners with a trio that chose to be their opposites (Cosmic King, Saturn Queen, and Lightning Lord). They showed up in a Superman/Batman story where they kidnapped the two heroes and raised them as evil tyrants in an effort to change history.

The next panel is Dawnstar, a winged Amerindian with an unlikely capability to fly faster than light. She races an energy villain named Lazon who can fly at lightspeed. Best not to think about it too much, but worth noting that, while flying, Wildfire is faster than Superman, and Dawnstar is faster than Wildfire.

In the next series of panels, Wildfire attacks Titania (strong chick) and Magno Lad. Wildfire was turned into a ball of anti-energy years before, and at this point required an energy suit to interact with the world. Wildfire and Dawnstar have just returned from her home on Starhaven (a whole race of winged Amerinds!). She has failed her vision quest to find her soulmate, and despite Wildfire's GIANT EMO over his inability to have sex and really truly be her boyfriend, they are a couple.

The next panel needs little explanation (Titania kicks Ultra Boy into Mon-el) but it does show off Titania's really awful haircut.

The next panel I honestly never realized was based on Leonardo's Last Supper. In my defense, I was a child. :) Lightning Lad may be holding court over the Legion of SuperVillains, but he is not the actual leader. He is group oriented enough that he was a reliable second in command.

The next panel was the punchline to the current Legion leader, Element Lad, congratulating himself on how well he was handling everything. Element Lad had a tendency to panic. In later continuity, he was retconed into having a relationship with a guy, Shvaughn/Sean Erin.

The next panel: supervillain banter! Radiation Roy is..well..a radiation user and Tyr has a sentient gunhand that, oddly, sometimes controls minds. Radiation Roy and Tyr argue over name fashion. In the old days, I'd've said Tyr was right. As an adult, 'radiator' sounds too much like a car part. I believe 'Radiation Roy' could be made to work by a post-modernist writer.

The next panels show an example of the frustrating secret symbols meant to stand for Interlac, the common language of that era. Dr. Gym'll is examining Saturn Girl, who stupidly went into battle while she was 9 months pregnant. The effort started labor. Her husband, Lightning Lad, and the Legion leader, Element Lad, wait anxiously. Element Lad is having a tizzy.

Saturn Girl had a normal child who became known in the letters pages as Nosegrabber Kid. We later learn that her child had a twin that was stolen by Darkseid (and this is the meaning of his parting prophecy) and turned into the giant superstrong mental-lightning shooting monster called Validus, who became a member of the Fatal Five in the past. (They made an appearance in Superman's World War event.

In the next panel, we see the castle that the Legion of SuperVillains has made homebase, along with signs of the alterations they've been making as part of their Grand Plan. In the spaceship are Queen Projectra and her consort, Karate Kid, returning from their honeymoon to Projectra's home planet Orando.

The last panel shows the heretofore unrevealed leader of the Legion of Supervillains, holding the captured ring of either Queen Projectra or Karate Kid. The green mist is Mistmaster, who took down the spaceship by gassing them. The white gloves were a red herring to throw readers' guesses off.

Date: 2009-08-22 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
Are you recapping from memory?

Mostly. I have Attention Deficit Disorder. Couldn't tell you what day I got married, but old comic books...:P I did have to look up Lazon's name.

I will say I do not recall ever HATING Levitz plots. He may not be the best, but he's a decent workaday writer.

I can kind of understand Saturn Girl's fighting...better to fight than watch her husband get killed, right? And her power's all mental.

The Fatal Five's been around forever, no way they had this in mind! But they definitely intended it when Saturn Girl's kid was born, it was in the annual.

Never saw the gender switch so I really couldn't say. It annoys me that they'd alter such a great character, but hey, maybe it was better. I wouldn't know.

I concur. Radiation Boy sounds pretty standard for LSH. :)

Dawnstar IS a great character, despite the number of people who complain that she's a cliche. The problems may've been real though. Her mother said "he isn't even *whole*!" Like the ancient Celts, wholeness of body might be a thing for her people. Also she had that "I must have the man destiny has chosen for me!" religious thing.

I just thought it was funny when Wildfire and Dawnstar would say, "Speed is of the essence!" and zoom off ahead of the superdupermen. How often did they come in secondbest?

Yeah. I see pictures of the Legion in Adventure 1 and I just...that's not the Legion.

Date: 2009-08-22 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katzedecimal.insanejournal.com
I am absolutely humbled by the depth of Legion knowledge that I've seen on this board. Never expected that. Ya gotta admit pre-Zero Hour LSH continuity is a little obscure at this point.

I can't believe I'm reading this. While I'm sure you don't intend to, you're coming across as rather condescending and ageist, definitely ageist. I've been reading comics since 1973, which is when I learned to read; before that I made my father read them to me as bedtime stories. My parents bought me my first computer in 1981, because they were a) rich and indulgent, b) spotted the wave of the future coming. I've been on the Internet since 1991 and it was well established by that point. I'm by no means alone, on this comm or in real life. Probably a good third of this comm is made up of over-40s and we have more than a few over-60s as well. The reason statements like this are so offensive is that it assumes that at some point in our lives, we're supposed to chuck all of our hobbies and personalities on the pile, forget everything we knew, and become Desperate Housewives-watching mundanes who can't set their TiVOs and have mysteriously forgotten how to check their emails (which would be really bad because I'm the one who taught my niece how to set up her firewall - not the other way around.) It reinforces the myth that comics readers are irresponsible basement dwellers with no lives. Neither of these myths are true and this comm is a perfect example of that.

That's all I have to say on the subject. I'm going to try to enjoy your posts because they are Legion and I love me some Legion (all except the Threeboot)

Profile

scans_daily: (Default)
Scans Daily
Founded by girl geeks and members of the slash fandom, [community profile] scans_daily strives to provide an atmosphere which is LGBTQ-friendly, anti-racist, anti-ableist, woman-friendly and otherwise discrimination and harassment free.

Bottom line: If slash, feminism or anti-oppressive practice makes you react negatively, [community profile] scans_daily is probably not for you.

Please read the community ethos and rules before posting or commenting.

November 2014

S M T W T F S
       1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23242526272829
30      

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags