Date: 2009-08-26 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
interesting.....maybe hal doesn't save the day?

Date: 2009-08-26 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
hmmm thats interesting.... she's clearly scared... worried, but the black ring is not sensing her... maybe it has to do with them being... Zen. what the Jedi SHOULD have been, allowing motion to flow THROUGH you rather than USE you..... hmmm does anyone get what i mean?

Date: 2009-08-26 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I don't really get it. Is it because the ring can't id her emotion?

Date: 2009-08-26 11:07 pm (UTC)
ext_396464: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
According to someone at the DC boards, "It didn't register an emotion because Dove is the living order of things and always at peace. Order can't be tainted by what's un-natural, it goes against the whole concept of bringing the dead back to life."

Date: 2009-08-26 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Basically, its because they accept emotions and allow them to flow throough them rather than letting the emotion carry them. its what the jedi should have been, instead of rejecting emotion, they should have learned to accept emotion rather than try to reject or supress it.

Date: 2009-08-26 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Basically, it's what Qui-Gon Jinn was, which was why his death basically doomed the Jedi.

Date: 2009-08-27 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Ah~ I get it now! Thanks guys :D

Date: 2009-08-26 11:32 pm (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Winking Clark)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
But then Clark showed up as a spectrum rather than a mixture in BN: Superman. Could it be that White is itself a different emotion?

Date: 2009-08-26 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Clark only had 5. there was no indigo or greed in him.

Date: 2009-08-26 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yes, but Superman is, emotionally speaking, relatively normal, akin to most humans. Dove isn't, as she's essentially an Avatar of a Lord of Order in human form.

Date: 2009-08-27 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] (from
The same Lords of Order who have been depicted as greedy, obsessive and afraid of change? :P

Date: 2009-08-27 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
To be fair, that's a comparatively recent retcon. Originally, Order = Good and Chaos = Evil.

Then somebody realized that, logically, that would make Darkseid a good guy, so yeah.

Date: 2009-08-27 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
The concept of Order=Good and Chaos=Evil is one of those fun things that doesn't make a lot of sense the more you look at it. In the horribly long series from Michael Moorcock with Corum (of the Silver Hand) it ends with both sets of gods, both Order and Chaos, dead as they were both evil in their ways.

A bit zen, but there you go.

Date: 2009-08-27 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
And if you bring something like chaos theory into it, the whole thing is revealed as bullshit, as it's not a question of order vs. chaos, it's simple vs. complex structure.

For instance, you can view a slime mold, or distributed computing, or any number of things as chaotic, sure, but they're actually just very, very complex, constantly changing structures.

Date: 2009-08-27 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
he was only five of the seven. I bet we'll get a bumch of heroes go all zen, they'll light up the BL's emotion vision then flow together to white.

Date: 2009-08-27 02:35 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Winking Clark)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Even so, I would imagine if White Lanterning is all about the blend of emotions, it should have mixed what colors he had instead of keeping them separate.

Either way, does this mean we can get Richard Dragon: White Lantern please?

Date: 2009-08-27 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Clark's emotions were conflicted. He was each of those emotions separately, while Dove is all emotions together, harmoniously. Maybe.

Date: 2009-08-27 04:06 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Winking Clark)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
I dunno, all of his emotions, varied as they were, seemed pretty focused on one singular task at that moment.

Date: 2009-08-27 05:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
But he was not at peace. Superman is no way like a zen Jedi.

Date: 2009-08-27 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Right. They were not in balance as described above, and he's very much feeling them; they do not "pass through him."

Date: 2009-08-26 11:02 pm (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Indigo Tribe)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
White Lantern: First Glance?

Date: 2009-08-26 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Indeed, I don't see how Hal could get that title.

Date: 2009-08-26 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Dawn is in perfect emotional balance as part of her nature as Dove, the embodiment of a Lord of Order.

Hal will have to achieve that balance it by effort (doubtless thus making him more heroic or somesuch)

Date: 2009-08-27 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] (from
He also said he wouldn't use Nekron.

Date: 2009-08-26 11:34 pm (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Indigo Tribe)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
I'm still taking it as White being perhaps a separate emotion (Peace or Life, take your pick), since Clark showed up as more of a spectrum than a mixture in BN Superman.

also i totally ganked this icon out of your .gif, just wanted to make sure it's cool

Date: 2009-08-26 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Well, the component images weren't mine, they came from here ( so I'm perhaps not the best person to ask!

Date: 2009-08-27 02:30 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Indigo Tribe)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
I disagree, mentioning it to you means I now know who to credit!

Date: 2009-08-27 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
But white IS all colors combined(in light--in pigment of course it's the opposite).

Date: 2009-08-27 09:18 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Indigo Tribe)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
But then you'd have to accept all below white, but a Yellow ring and a Blue ring won't net you the equivalent of a Green ring.

Date: 2009-08-26 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
hm...perhaps hal doesn't save the day?

Date: 2009-08-27 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I am one of those DC fans really, really hoping that, in fact, Hal *doesn't* get to Single-Handedly Save The Universe by being Awesome.

That would be nice.

But even still. I can't stop that niggling feeling that Geoff will somehow find a way to thrust his favourite, pet character into that role, whether it fits the story or not.

I'm enjoying the story either, but if it doesn't became another Hal love-fest, then I'll take my hat off to Johns, I really will. 'Cause he'll have won some serious respect from me. But I don't trust him enough.

Date: 2009-08-27 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
well he didn't in Sinestro War, hell even Superboy-Prime played a part in that, so I don't see why he has to do it all alone.

Date: 2009-08-27 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Eh, the way things are going, since Geoff says no Rainbow Lantern, I'm beginning to wonder if Hal will get much of a role in the victory at all. There's no point otherwise to him experiencing all the differing colors, and if that's the case he's just the series buttboy, the Marathon runner who carries the message and collapses. They may beat Nekron by literally going 'Kumbabya' universally.

Date: 2009-08-27 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
There would be if he changed at all through his experience of them, which so far is green, yellow, blue, red, and I think briefly orange?...But he doesn't, they take him over and then he throws them off in favor of the green. Which is stubbornness, which is a type of will. Hal is not capable, and does not want, to embrace them all. He's not the Godhead type, and I think he might be crucial but he will not be the savior.

The fact that Dove is the last one I'd ever expect to come to something, and that the characters seem to think the same, leads me to think it's going to go in her direction.

Date: 2009-08-27 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That would be a very pleasant surprise.

Date: 2009-08-27 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Besides, look at what happened last time he TRIED to be the Godhead type. In fact, his deep aversion to taking on any other rings seems to be rooted in that. "Uh, yeah, blue. Okay. Look, I'll just stick with the green, that works fine for me, okay?"


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