Why can't the Black Lantern Rings resurrect Dove?

[interrobamf.insanejournal.com]

Here's a possible answer.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

interesting.....maybe hal doesn't save the day?

[(Anonymous)]

hmmm thats interesting.... she's clearly scared... worried, but the black ring is not sensing her... maybe it has to do with them being... Zen. what the Jedi SHOULD have been, allowing motion to flow THROUGH you rather than USE you..... hmmm does anyone get what i mean?

[red_xera.insanejournal.com]

I don't really get it. Is it because the ring can't id her emotion?

[xdoop.insanejournal.com]

According to someone at the DC boards, "It didn't register an emotion because Dove is the living order of things and always at peace. Order can't be tainted by what's un-natural, it goes against the whole concept of bringing the dead back to life."

[(Anonymous)]

Basically, its because they accept emotions and allow them to flow throough them rather than letting the emotion carry them. its what the jedi should have been, instead of rejecting emotion, they should have learned to accept emotion rather than try to reject or supress it.

[box_in_the_box.insanejournal.com]

Basically, it's what Qui-Gon Jinn was, which was why his death basically doomed the Jedi.

[red_xera.insanejournal.com]

Ah~ I get it now! Thanks guys :D

[interrobamf.insanejournal.com]

Look at the color. It's white. White is the combination of all colors of light, so this indicates Dove's emotional state is perpetually made up of all seven emotional colors in balance. White also represents life (which splits up into the seven emotions, like how a rainbow is created by splitting white light), in opposition to the color-absent black of death.

[kingrockwell]

But then Clark showed up as a spectrum rather than a mixture in BN: Superman. Could it be that White is itself a different emotion?

[(Anonymous)]

Clark only had 5. there was no indigo or greed in him.

[icon_uk.insanejournal.com]

Yes, but Superman is, emotionally speaking, relatively normal, akin to most humans. Dove isn't, as she's essentially an Avatar of a Lord of Order in human form.

[btravage.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com)]

The same Lords of Order who have been depicted as greedy, obsessive and afraid of change? :P

[magus_69.insanejournal.com]

To be fair, that's a comparatively recent retcon. Originally, Order = Good and Chaos = Evil.

Then somebody realized that, logically, that would make Darkseid a good guy, so yeah.

[comicoz.insanejournal.com]

The concept of Order=Good and Chaos=Evil is one of those fun things that doesn't make a lot of sense the more you look at it. In the horribly long series from Michael Moorcock with Corum (of the Silver Hand) it ends with both sets of gods, both Order and Chaos, dead as they were both evil in their ways.

A bit zen, but there you go.

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

And if you bring something like chaos theory into it, the whole thing is revealed as bullshit, as it's not a question of order vs. chaos, it's simple vs. complex structure.

For instance, you can view a slime mold, or distributed computing, or any number of things as chaotic, sure, but they're actually just very, very complex, constantly changing structures.

[jlbarnett.insanejournal.com]

he was only five of the seven. I bet we'll get a bumch of heroes go all zen, they'll light up the BL's emotion vision then flow together to white.

[kingrockwell]

Even so, I would imagine if White Lanterning is all about the blend of emotions, it should have mixed what colors he had instead of keeping them separate.

Either way, does this mean we can get Richard Dragon: White Lantern please?

[tanetris.insanejournal.com]

Clark's emotions were conflicted. He was each of those emotions separately, while Dove is all emotions together, harmoniously. Maybe.

[kingrockwell]

I dunno, all of his emotions, varied as they were, seemed pretty focused on one singular task at that moment.

[ashtoreth.insanejournal.com]

But he was not at peace. Superman is no way like a zen Jedi.

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

Right. They were not in balance as described above, and he's very much feeling them; they do not "pass through him."

[kingrockwell]

White Lantern: First Glance?

[04nbod.insanejournal.com]

Indeed, I don't see how Hal could get that title.

[icon_uk.insanejournal.com]

Dawn is in perfect emotional balance as part of her nature as Dove, the embodiment of a Lord of Order.

Hal will have to achieve that balance it by effort (doubtless thus making him more heroic or somesuch)

[interrobamf.insanejournal.com]

Johns said he wouldn't go that route. Take that as you will.

[btravage.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com)]

He also said he wouldn't use Nekron.

[interrobamf.insanejournal.com]

No. What he said was "I can't talk about that."

[kingrockwell]

I'm still taking it as White being perhaps a separate emotion (Peace or Life, take your pick), since Clark showed up as more of a spectrum than a mixture in BN Superman.

also i totally ganked this icon out of your .gif, just wanted to make sure it's cool

[icon_uk.insanejournal.com]

Well, the component images weren't mine, they came from here (http://greyloch-md.deviantart.com/art/Lantern-Corps-symbols-fanart-125054555) so I'm perhaps not the best person to ask!

[kingrockwell]

I disagree, mentioning it to you means I now know who to credit!

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

But white IS all colors combined(in light--in pigment of course it's the opposite).

[kingrockwell]

But then you'd have to accept all below white, but a Yellow ring and a Blue ring won't net you the equivalent of a Green ring.

[interrobamf.insanejournal.com]

Mixing yellow and blue light makes white. They're complementary colors.

[(Anonymous)]

hm...perhaps hal doesn't save the day?

[zordboy.insanejournal.com]

I am one of those DC fans really, really hoping that, in fact, Hal *doesn't* get to Single-Handedly Save The Universe by being Awesome.

That would be nice.

But even still. I can't stop that niggling feeling that Geoff will somehow find a way to thrust his favourite, pet character into that role, whether it fits the story or not.

I'm enjoying the story either, but if it doesn't became another Hal love-fest, then I'll take my hat off to Johns, I really will. 'Cause he'll have won some serious respect from me. But I don't trust him enough.

[jlbarnett.insanejournal.com]

well he didn't in Sinestro War, hell even Superboy-Prime played a part in that, so I don't see why he has to do it all alone.

[ashtoreth.insanejournal.com]

Eh, the way things are going, since Geoff says no Rainbow Lantern, I'm beginning to wonder if Hal will get much of a role in the victory at all. There's no point otherwise to him experiencing all the differing colors, and if that's the case he's just the series buttboy, the Marathon runner who carries the message and collapses. They may beat Nekron by literally going 'Kumbabya' universally.

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

There would be if he changed at all through his experience of them, which so far is green, yellow, blue, red, and I think briefly orange?...But he doesn't, they take him over and then he throws them off in favor of the green. Which is stubbornness, which is a type of will. Hal is not capable, and does not want, to embrace them all. He's not the Godhead type, and I think he might be crucial but he will not be the savior.

The fact that Dove is the last one I'd ever expect to come to something, and that the characters seem to think the same, leads me to think it's going to go in her direction.

[bluefall.insanejournal.com]

That would be a very pleasant surprise.

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

Besides, look at what happened last time he TRIED to be the Godhead type. In fact, his deep aversion to taking on any other rings seems to be rooted in that. "Uh, yeah, blue. Okay. Look, I'll just stick with the green, that works fine for me, okay?"