Date: 2009-09-03 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] majingojira.insanejournal.com
WHAT A TWIST!

Date: 2009-09-03 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmdr_zoom.insanejournal.com
Well, that was both predictable and pointless.

Date: 2009-09-03 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
Hmm. I can believe that except the knife part. Not an easy way to do it.(no, I don't believe Eliot Smith killed himself)

Date: 2009-09-03 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherkahn.insanejournal.com
If it's sharp enough and if he has enough rage backing him, I can Cyrus doing the deed.

Date: 2009-09-03 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
Horizontally between the third and fourth ribs maybe. But look at him. He might have scored a lung, but certainly not his heart, and your arm can't get the strength to make a knife go through your own ribs. (consider the muscle groups you're severing anyway on the way in)

How would I know this? I draw and try to study anatomy.

Date: 2009-09-04 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] autumn_lily.insanejournal.com
Not to mention the fact that the body has automatic responses to pain. He'd end up jerking the knife away as soon as he'd try to start breaking the ribs.
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Date: 2009-09-04 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] autumn_lily.insanejournal.com
True. He'd have a better chance of killing himself with the knife if he punctured both his lungs and they filled up with blood and fluids, thus drowning him.

Date: 2009-09-04 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
If they would break. The knife would be more likely to break from the handle before it could cut through ribs. Ever cut meat and try to cut through bones with even the sharpest knife? Even chicken bones can sometimes be trouble, depending on which ones.

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Date: 2009-09-04 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
And Kolins could have fudged it, if the RIBS DIDN'T SHOW THROUGH HIS SHIRT.

I mean, this is why you never hear of people killing themselves this way. You have to saw through bone to cut it if you can cut it at all. Whereas slitting the wrists, if done properly, results in death in less than half a minute. But that would mean he'd have had to draw the sequence at and it would have been slower and less violent and dramatic and OH how I hate this thing.

Date: 2009-09-03 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ian_karkull.insanejournal.com
Turning Grundy into a Black Lantern just seems excessive and kind of pointless to me. The guy comes back to life more often than the X-Men and Jesus combined anyway.
Great art though.

Date: 2009-09-03 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
But how else could they get a BL Hulk?

Date: 2009-09-03 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherkahn.insanejournal.com
F' off, Phantom Stranger. A person's compassion to save a soul from eternal damnation (during it's one chance to break the cycle) and to end a horror, and you said "no"? You should be tied right next to Cyrus. As much as the choice was Cyrus', the choice to help him at his greatest hour of need, in his darkest moment was yours. Alan Scott was right, you were wrong.

Clark, Diana and Bruce would've attempted to save him. Especially Diana.

BTW, who is the old codger again with the "that's m'boy" line?

Date: 2009-09-03 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherkahn.insanejournal.com
eck. I was so angry I didn't spell check. That 2nd sentence must be confusing, indeed.

Date: 2009-09-03 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thokstar.insanejournal.com
It's sort of weird, since the Phantom Stranger is sort of doing a Rod Sterling in the Twilight Zone thing, which is a weird role for him.

Cyrus Gold was moving on to the afterlife no matter what happened, IMHO. It's merely a question of whether Cyrus felt he was worthy of ending in Purgatory or falling to Hell. (Cyrus Gold going to Heaven is mostly out of the question, unless Solomon Grundy was meant to be his purgatory.)

Date: 2009-09-03 06:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
Phanty ain't too big on making choices. It is kind of what made him what he is.

Date: 2009-09-03 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neuhallidae.insanejournal.com
Seven issues and this was the "point"? Wow. That's a waste.

Date: 2009-09-03 05:01 am (UTC)
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Well, they say getting there is half the fun!
unfortunately the other half is what you arrive to

Date: 2009-09-03 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
Oh, but weren't you so very surprised?

NO? But what about Kolins' writing?

No? Okay, I'm out of ideas. I like Kolins' art but this is indeed mediocre.

Date: 2009-09-03 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xlineartx.insanejournal.com
So basically he gets to be a different kind of zombie.

FASCINATING TELL ME MORE.

Date: 2009-09-03 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
Like Cyrus Gold was ever anything relevant about Grundy beyond his origins as such till this mini either. For all intents and purposes this changes nothing. Really? Cyrus Gold was a bad man and deserved hell? No shit!

Just the way DC likes it!

And wouldn't one think this is the moment for Alan to say, "Hey, fuck you Stranger!" and do something?

Date: 2009-09-03 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] majingojira.insanejournal.com
There are many things that annoy me about DC comics, and their insistance upon Black and White Morality system is one of my top greivances.

Date: 2009-09-04 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
With DC, it's not a system, it's a damn cosmology, overtly. And it's just too close to a religious view(and not even in disguise sometimes if you've read some of Rucka) to not be a bit annoying. This kind of simplistic, childlike view of morality goes at least back to the original JLA and that's one reason those JLA stories look so stupid and dated now.

That's also leaving aside that, for those that are religious(I'm not), I would think it's a bit insulting. Certainly to Catholics and Jews. When reading FC: Revelations I was thinking, were I religious, I'd alternate between laughing at the ignorance displayed, and being incredibly offended. The Spectre is increasingly becoming an ongoing insult to theology.

Date: 2009-09-03 07:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com
I originally thought Grundy would be the BL drill Sergeant...but is he perhaps their Alan Scott equivalent?

Date: 2009-09-04 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
The one and only thing that would be interesting would be seeing him being controlled by Nekron. As now he would have no personality template of his own, he's the one most likely to be controlled directly by Nekron and to be the one he'd speak right through.

Date: 2009-09-03 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daso.insanejournal.com
Eight issues of at best mediocre writing and overrendered art to make Solomon Grundy a Black Lantern. What a waste.

The only thing in this resolution that interests me is what's going to happen to Grundy after Blackest Night since "the cycle is broken" and he is now (presumably) raised like a regular corpse. No more Grundy?

Date: 2009-09-03 03:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xdoop.insanejournal.com
So why was Grundy given one week to find out who killed him or be dragged into Hell?

Date: 2009-09-03 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zippthorn.insanejournal.com
For a chance to end the Grundy curse. If he found the person who killed Cyrus Gold . . . and forgave him, the Grundy curse would be ended forever.

Date: 2009-09-04 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com
And he did and now he's in Hell. He must be thinking, "I am such a sucker."

Date: 2009-09-04 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zippthorn.insanejournal.com
He didn't forgive himself. The Grundy curse lives on.

Date: 2009-09-03 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mullon.insanejournal.com
I just finished the third Starman Omnibus, and I'm trying to figure out if there is any way to use this story to bring good Grundy back.

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