http://neuhallidae.insanejournal.com/ ([identity profile] neuhallidae.insanejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2009-09-04 02:18 pm

The Halls of Fate, Part Two

(Now with 30% more ranting!)

In the first chapter of our story, Doctor Fate was reincarnated as someone several of the older JSA members knew well. In this chapter, we get a quest, a resurrection, and some nice, old fashioned WTF. Forty pages spread out over JSA #8-#46.



Alan Scott's son, Todd, who's been both the hero and the villain as Obsidian, has decidedly gone off the deep end. After allying with, and betraying, Ian Karkull in order to bring the Shadowlands to Earth, he's imprisoned several JSAers inside their own minds, sending their bodies to fight and capture their comrades. In the process of this, he's tormenting his "minions" with their worst fears and memories, and in doing so, we find out that Hector's not as well-adjusted about this reincarnation thing as he first appeared.





After Alan rallies to put down his son (though not for good, since Todd's still nuts and escapes to the Shadowlands), the next villain up to the plate is the time-warping Extant, who is Hank Hall, former Hawk, driven criminally insane by the death of his second partner and love of his life, Dawn Granger. In the middle of combat, several of the crew are killed by Extant. Or so it looked at first.





The ladies have a point, and this'll end up being a big mistake, but not for the reasons they're thinking. Anyway, off Hector goes.











Oh, yeah, that bodes well.

In any case, the plan doesn't go quite as planned (when do they ever?) and Extant escapes, only for Atom Smasher to chase him down and kill him by screwing with Extant's powers so that he takes the place of AS's mother when she died in a terrorist plane bombing.

And then the JSA split up. Six remain behind, but Hippolyta goes home, Hourman goes to find himself, Starman takes off, and Hector?



He reappears four episodes later, having found out something very interesting (and squicky, if you were paying attention to the last post) about that comatose woman in Vancouver.





D: (That middle panel really doesn't help with the creep factor.)

While Hector is busy trying to find a way to wake her, his cousin...niece... something, Kendra, is finding out disturbing news of her own. Namely, that she's dead. Or, rather, Kendra Saunders' soul is dead, from a several-years-old suicide attempt. While Kendra's consciousness and memories are still intact, which is why she didn't notice anything other than odd blackouts, the soul currently inhabiting her body is that of her great aunt, Shiera.

(Have I mentioned that this entire family is really fucked up yet? Because you're gonna be hearing it a lot in this post.)

The reason why this is important, not just creepy, is that a small cluster of Thanagarians are looking to save what's left of their people, and to do that, they need Shiera. Why?

For a resurrection, and a reunion, of course. And who's getting brought back?







Or not, because there's still a war to fight. Oh, and Kendra to deal with, because she's pretty freaked at this whole resurrection thing, especially when Carter's kind of convinced she's Shiera and is happy to pick up where they left off. And even after the war's over and she's gotten him to accept her as Not!Shiera, they still end up kind of getting together eventually after some obvious rocky bits (Oh, my God, what's with this family?).

Anyway, when all's said and done and the JSA are back on Earth, Hector goes back to his quest to fix what Mordru screwed up. The spellbreaking attempts via magic don't go so well, even with doctors like Mid-Nite assisting.







Eventually, Hector figures that Mordru's not the only one who's been keeping secrets (and we get probably the scariest Hectorface any artist has ever done).



Dude. Might want to do something about your eyes, there. ::ahem:: Meanwhile, Johnny Thunder has returned! Only it's not really Johnny Thunder, it's the Ultra-Humanite in his body. After tricking the current owner of the Thunderbolt into giving the genie back, the Ultra-Humanite rewrites the world, mind-controlling all but a small handful of capes. Two of those not enslaved are Wildcat and Doctor Fate, the former because he keeps resisting, and the latter because the Ultra-Humanite wants the artifacts, and Hector hid them. Hector's role in this arc is pretty tiny, but there's one page from it I wanna post, just because it made me laugh.



Hee.

So, ultimately, the Ultra-Humanite is defeated (and the Crimson Avenger kills him after Sand prevents Icicle from doing so), but at the cost of Johnny's life. As a way of sort of "preserving" him, though, the Thunderbolt merges its soul with his, creating Johnny Thunderbolt as a new/old partner for Jakeem, the kid with the genie's leash. And Hector vanishes again to his quest to save Lyta, and isn't seen again for another six issues. Now, this next bit looks long, but it's really only three pages an issue, so...































(I could fill a few paragraphs on how this page pisses me off, but since I already have a rant reserved for writing, I'll just say "Ass shot splash page of a moments-before-comatose woman who woke up to some nutbar reincarnated as her kid. Classy.")

In any case, we're about to find out just how much a certain sorcerer's been fucking things up behind the scenes.



While this has been going on, Kobra's on trial for multiple things, including that plane explosion I talked about earlier in the post. While the JSA's handling crowd control, a man in the crowd pulls a suicide bombing, and doesn't take out the crowd only because Power Girl yanked him into the air. This prompts Kobra to inform the court that his followers are scattered throughout the crowd and the courtroom, and they all have implanted bombs tied to a detonator inside himself. If he's convicted, he'll activate it and take everyone out with him. Much to the ire of some costumes present (notably, Black Adam), he's allowed to walk about the same time that Doctor Fate shows up.





And just like last time, he starts laying waste to the present capes.

Meanwhile, Dove gives us some exposition as to what the hell is going on.



(Y'know, even for an embodiment of order, she's disturbingly calm about this whole "gave birth in a coma" thing.)



And there we have it, the parentage of the reincarnation of Hector Hall. And you know what the writers do with this? Absolutely jack shit. While I can understand him still considering Carter his father in the ethereal sense, Hector and Dawn never acknowledge each other as family, even in the physical sense. Period. She sticks around to help with a couple of battles, then fluffs off to find the new Hawk after only one page of dialogue with Hector that amounts to nothing but meaningless small talk, and this whole coma pregnancy reincarnation thing is, as far as I know, never mentioned again. It's a stupid, stupid waste of potentially interesting story, as far as I'm concerned, and as I'll bring up in the next post, just one of the many potentials about this Fate incarnation that got wasted.

And speaking of the next post, tune in for psychic interventions, magical battles, and an ancient Egyptian wizard being a massive asshole about whether free will's a necessity or not.

[identity profile] btravage.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com) 2009-09-04 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I made a really comprehensive Hawkman family tree once, but I seem to have lost it.

[identity profile] oddpuppets.insanejournal.com 2009-09-04 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
1) The art in the last three pages? Gorgeous.

2) This family is so fucked up.

3) Dawn was raped? Coma-birth? I...I don't know what to think. Sometimes I think comic writers get their ideas from daytime soaps.

[identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com 2009-09-04 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
See, the thing I liked about the Kesel Hawk and Dove was that they DIDN'T seem to love each other, at least romantically. They trusted each other implicitly, and were as close as brother and sister, but they were the sort of opposites that wouldn't be that interested in each other in a relationship. Plus they were both slightly freaked out by the fact that any romantic feelings they might have might be residual echoes of the Lord of Order and Lord of Chaos who empowered them (and who HAD fallen in love) rather than anything from THEM.

Armageddon 2001 showed them having a child together in the future, a girl who embodied both Chaos and Order with the "magic-name"; Unity, but in the present Hank had Ren Takamori, and Dawn had Detective Arsala (Who I STILL get steamed about the casual murder of to show that Monarch Hawk was badass in the... no, I shall not revisit the mess at the end of Armageddon 2001 AGAIN!)

[identity profile] shanejayell.insanejournal.com 2009-09-04 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
The end of Armageddon 2001 was SUCH a mess. They should have just gone with Captain Atom being monarch, it made much more sense character wise.

[identity profile] jaybee3.insanejournal.com 2009-09-04 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
You've pretty much nailed the problems I had with this story (and much of this period JSA) in that Johns would just lay plotlines all over the place and just dropped them (even aside from Hector, we have in your post alone - Obisidan and the mystery of the Shadowlands, Sand's infatuation with Kendra and her using him to avoid newly-reborn Carter, Kent and Inza in the amulet). Johns has gotten better at tying up plot points in Green Lantern and I loved JSA but it still bugs.

Let's leave aside the fact that Hector was led to believe - and so were the readers - that his own wife gave birth to him. We are basically explicitly told that a possessed Hank Hall raped Dove to impregnate her and their son (despite neither having the same DNA has Carter Hall) looks just like the old Hector just because his soul is in the body. Which did not work with Kendra who had the soul of Shiera. Another point even after Kendra found out that the real Kendra was dead and she was Shiera with all Kendra's memories she had basically no interaction with her "son" Hector nor he with her. At all. Or the fact that once she did get with Carter (temporarily) he was basically having sex with his (through his wife) own great-niece. Ewww. And then as you say Dove disappears from the book, she has no interaction with Hector after this and the fact that she was raped and had a child while in a coma is never brought up again - even when Geoff Johns himself used her in Teen Titans. What a mess.

[identity profile] interrobamf.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
What a mess.

Well, of course. Doing a boring, unnecessary, predictable, and overlong storyline based on Kingdom Come is more important.

[identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
Motto on the dropped plotlines. They just kept adding things and then, never referencing them again.

Though the rest, the Fate baby was a huge magic being. No big deal about the face or lack of connection with those who bodies were tools to bring it into existence. Dawn seems less like a human to me, than a god-type (of course I only see her in crossovers) who'd think nothing of these wierd exploits. Kendra was a grown teenager, and the reincarnation not really that magical, so no big magic changes or even Shiera's memories of previous incarnations. And why would Carter care about the great-niece thing? The real great-niece Kendra has been dead for awhile. This IS Shiera, just muddled by an imperfect reincarnation and deluded into thinking she's her own great-niece. And frankly, Shiera was a better character than Kendra. Kendra might've been good....if she'd ever been allowed to actually be herself, rather a bad copy of Shiera.

I'd forgotten that Mordru possessed Extant. That makes Zero Hour so much more odd with Extant and Parallax (also possessed...) interaction together. Kinda makes ya wonder what they'd act like if they got together again in their real forms.

[identity profile] jaybee3.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah so the soul thing makes sense but Dawn Granger wasn't born into the role of Dove, things like being raped by your possessed former partner and having a magical baby while in a coma really should leave some mark on her.

And I would agree with you about the Kendra thing except for ONE thing (which I do not blame Geoff Johns for and which he seems to have ignored in Blackest Night). Even though it was explicitly said when Johns rebooted the Hawkman title that the soul of Kendra Saunders had moved on to the afterlife and that she had indeed DIED (enabling Shiera's soul to take over the body) at the end of the Hawkgirl run (formerly Hawkman till OYL) Walt Simonson(?) had Shiera's soul leave Kendra's body and Kendra's (who had formerly moved on) was back in possession. This went against everything Johns had set-up about the star-crossed lovers (Shiera basically said "Adios" to Carter and gave her Kendra, saying their curse was over - something she WOULD NOT do). And of course after that Carter and Kendra did (briefly) hook up without Shiera's soul present so yeah he did his great-niece. After that he went to Thanganar and she hooked up with Roy in JLA. But in Blackest Night we are back to the star-crossed lovers who are doomed to proclaim their love and be reborn all over again - except Kendra's soul was never any of those past lives and she wasn't part of the curse, Shiera was. So - either Johns ignored what Simonson and Meltzer did with the whole Shiera/Kendra thing or something is screwy.

Sad though, for all the flack I give him about dropped stories, Geoff Johns did more than anyone to fix the Hawkman continuity only to have other writers get everything screwed up again.

[identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Walt Simonson(?) had Shiera's soul leave Kendra's body and Kendra's (who had formerly moved on) was back in possession. This went against everything Johns had set-up about the star-crossed lovers (Shiera basically said "Adios" to Carter and gave her Kendra, saying their curse was over - something she WOULD NOT do). And of course after that Carter and Kendra did (briefly) hook up without Shiera's soul present so yeah he did his great-niece

:(

Kendra being her own person...good. Kendra getting dragged into becoming Shiera..ugh.

(Glad they're dead now.)

[identity profile] jlbarnett.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
maybe Sheira leaving got Kendra stuck in her place

[identity profile] pryce21.insanejournal.com 2009-09-24 06:46 am (UTC)(link)
Hey do you know the issue and comic title of kendra and carter making love in mid air?The pic can be found here:

http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t11/Elf_Girl24/kiss%20me/?action=view¤t=kiss_12.jpg

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/191875.html

Help me out? Thanks!

[identity profile] starwolf_oakley.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Geoff Johns is quite a weaver of divergent plotlines, doing his best to say "This was an illusion, that character was lying, that other villain was mistaken." It might seem a little fanboy-ish, but I don't mind.

Heck, I'd like to do it myself, saying that every Dr. Strange appearance since AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #500 has really been Baron Mordo in disguise (with Wong forced to play along).

Every appearance?

[identity profile] nefrekeptah.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
Surely you're not including "The Oath?" Because that was awesome.

Re: Every appearance?

[identity profile] starwolf_oakley.insanejournal.com 2009-09-06 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
Haven't read "The Oath." Yet.

[identity profile] fromtheaether.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
I wanted to like him as Fate, but after the umpteenth "Hector lacks confidence in his abilities, and is tricked by his adversary" story, I realized that nobody knew what to do with him.

[identity profile] zordboy.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
"I could fill a few paragraphs on how this page pisses me off, but since I already have a rant reserved for writing, I'll just say "Ass shot splash page of a moments-before-comatose woman who woke up to some nutbar reincarnated as her kid. Classy."

The thing that most bothered me from that scene...

"You have a question. But violence isn't the answer. Now hold still while I break your nose."

Sorry, what? Way to define empty rhetoric, there.

[identity profile] timgueguen.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
(I could fill a few paragraphs on how this page pisses me off, but since I already have a rant reserved for writing, I'll just say "Ass shot splash page of a moments-before-comatose woman who woke up to some nutbar reincarnated as her kid. Classy.")

Besides the gratuitousness of the buttshot her pose makes abosolutely no sense. How was she supposed to have hit Dr. Fate and end up in that position?

[identity profile] zordboy.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
I read that to be, she dropped low, flipped forward and broke his nose with her buttocks.

Which is completely nonsensical (particularly when you're lying on a wobbly hospital stretcher), but look kids, ass! Don't worry about the mechanics of it.

*sigh*

[identity profile] timgueguen.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I had a thought along those lines as well. But generally we speak of rock hard abs, not rock hard buttocks.

[identity profile] panthyr.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
You have it backwards, I think. The grip he had on her arms is easily broken by Dove forcefully whipping her arms up between herself and Hector, which also has the advantage of letting her break his nose. As I read it, however, she eschewed the practical move for the flashy and mostly impossible one of using her arms' momentum (plus some superhuman leg strength) to throw herself into a backflip, kicking him in the face instead, and giving us the ass shot at about 270 degrees through her rotation.
And that's not a wobbly stretcher, it's a very stable full-size hospital bed - which suggests the only possible practical reason for her move - to get a heavy object between her and the crazies who just woke her up.

[identity profile] zordboy.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
"And that's not a wobbly stretcher, it's a very stable full-size hospital bed - which suggests the only possible practical reason for her move - to get a heavy object between her and the crazies who just woke her up."

Which would make backflipping off the bed into the guys' laps pretty stupid.

[identity profile] zordboy.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
Not to mention...

From the art, her arms are out-stretched with her body vertical as she completes the roll. So for her to have kicked him in the face, the bed would've had to have been on the floor (or a part of the floor), or else Hector was suddenly 10 feet tall.

[identity profile] jlbarnett.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe there's a skipped page there. There's not near enough action in the panel with her gently setting down in front of them to suggest this is just after her attack on them. She's jumping over the bed she was behind now that she has some idea of what's going on.

[identity profile] jlbarnett.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess she could be doing a shooting star press thing. That's a wrestling move where a wrestler does a backflip but still goes forward.

[identity profile] jlbarnett.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 11:29 am (UTC)(link)
that's what it was. There's even motion lines suggesting that direction.

[identity profile] cleome45.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 06:12 am (UTC)(link)
So... Geoff Johns is the guy they bring in to make team books less confusing to newcomers?

[blinks repeatedly]

Damn. I'm never coming to a Johns-centered thread without a quart of vodka on hand, ever again. O_o

[identity profile] jlbarnett.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder if they'll decide to just make Fury an E-2 survivor like Power Girl

[identity profile] jlbarnett.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
And they made Power Girl an Atlantean. Then they made her an E-2 Kryptonian. Things like origins can change in comics

[identity profile] jlbarnett.insanejournal.com 2009-09-05 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
There's scans of Brainwave Jr. erasing Fury's memories of her family because the thought of them not existing was so traumatic to her.

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/67247.html#cutid1

[identity profile] bruinsfan.insanejournal.com 2009-09-07 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Especially for Power Girl, whom I've joked about previously as possessing Schrödinger's Origin.

I SO wanted an Extant story where the JSA beat him by tricking him into trying to change PG's past and getting erased by one of the many, many retcons of her continuity. Or just blowing a gasket in the attempt:

EXTANT: Here we are, in ancient Atlantis, where I'll prevent Arion from ever sending you into the 20th century! Mwah ha ha!
POWER GIRL: Oh, he's not my grandfather anymore. I'm an artificial doppelganger of Lana Lang from the Time Trapper's pocket universe.
EXTANT: What? Well, I'll just travel crosstime and put a stop to that!
POWER GIRL: Oops, too late. I'm a time-traveling Daxamite from the 30th century now.
EXTANT: Wait, that doesn't make any sense. Now I have to go to the future to destroy your past?
POWER GIRL: Get with the program, that was five minutes ago. Now I'm a Kryptonian from the original Earth-2. Which never existed!
EXTANT: head explodes...

[identity profile] drsevarius.insanejournal.com 2009-11-05 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
"The ladies have a point, and this'll end up being a big mistake, but not for the reasons they're thinking"

what do you mean?