[identity profile] drsevarius.insanejournal.com posting in [community profile] scans_daily

I got another e-mail from Fred Van Lente, that he's asked me to post.

First off, while I believe he had the best of intentions, the poster "DrSevarius" wrote me under his real name and asked me a question I thought I was answering in private, to him. He posted my response without my permission and without telling me beforehand it was supposed to be for public consumption.

If he had told me that, I would have, first off, made it clear that I am not a Marvel employee. I am not a Marvel spokesperson. I am a freelancer. I speak only for myself. That is just as true for the following statement as the previous one.

Also, if he had told me that, I may have been less coy about the following "Spoiler Alert". Anyone who cares not to have stuff that's in ASM #605 revealed now should avert their eyes.

Amazing Spider-Man #605, which went to the printer weeks ago, makes it clear that Michelle and Chameleon did nothing more than make out in the kitchen scene in #603.

There was no sex, and therefore no rape.

And I'll simply point out that in the scene in ASM #604 when Peter comes home he has no idea why, exactly, Michelle is treating him differently, only that she is. He learns why-- at least partly -- and he responds, in #605.

Thanks for listening. I appreciate it.

Fred Van Lente
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Date: 2009-09-13 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sailorlibra.insanejournal.com
Now the "giggle" part seems slightly less icky. Slightly.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com

Date: 2009-09-13 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freezer818.insanejournal.com
Suuure... And Luke and Leia were always twins. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlehr8d6bdwnwsk)

Date: 2009-09-13 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toasty_fresh.insanejournal.com
Lolling my face off rn.

Also: re the "I didn't know people other than drsevarius were going to read it," why the heck would that change his answer? Idk, that just seems weird to me.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] box_in_the_box.insanejournal.com
I suspect this response was prompted by the fact that we just hit the newswire (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/09/13/amazing-spider-man-and-the-rape-that-wasnt/).

Date: 2009-09-13 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyberghostface.insanejournal.com
I just hope Marvel doesn't come down on us now...again.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fungo_squiggly.insanejournal.com
Well, dressing up in the Peter's underwear seems like a bit of an odd reaction if she and Peter!Chameleon "only" made out.

But it looks to me that Fred Van Lente has listened to fans' concerns and is trying to walk it back now. Can't he get at least a little credit for that?

Date: 2009-09-13 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottyquick.insanejournal.com
That makes me a lot happier.

Also, Fred Van Lante is a pretty nice guy it seems like. But who was saying he was a Marvel employee?

Date: 2009-09-13 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] box_in_the_box.insanejournal.com
I share your concerns, but Gail had it right when she said that such a step would be ill-advised for Marvel, unless it REALLY wants to see what fanrage looks like. After all, this is the s_d that was founded upon being more restrained and respectful toward comics copyrights and creators, so if even THIS isn't good enough, then the third generation of s_d is going to look like 4chan by comparison.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyberghostface.insanejournal.com
Not doubting you, but where/when did Gail say that? I heard her comments after the original S_D closed but nothing after.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] box_in_the_box.insanejournal.com
I forget where, but it was quoted on The Beat or one of those other news sites.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toasty_fresh.insanejournal.com
Idk, I think that'd be better if he had said "I was wrong, and now I'm trying to change it," instead of "No you're wrong lalala I never did that see?"

Date: 2009-09-13 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] box_in_the_box.insanejournal.com
I'll agree that this is a crime of ineptitude rather than ill intent, but man, what a HUGE helping of ineptitude on this issue, and worse yet, it's not even the ONLY racially and sexually insensitive part of the story, when you include Michelle's characterization as one part stereotypical Latina and one part Tsundere, or the equally questionable drunken one-night stand that started this all off in the first place. You'd have to go to FANFIC to find as much fail in one story.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stolisomancer.insanejournal.com
Nobody, really, but if he'd known his statements were going to be quoted in a public forum, he'd have given himself more legal cover than he did.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyberghostface.insanejournal.com
Think I found it:

"These people are not the enemy. They’re the good guys, and the alternative is SO much worse. You think what S-D is bad?

Watch and see what pops up in its place."


Date: 2009-09-13 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] box_in_the_box.insanejournal.com
That'd be it, yes.

And she's absolutely right.

This place is a goddamn cocktail party compared to what the old s_d was.

Shut us down after we've made all THESE concessions, and a good number of us are going to go, "You know what, fuck it; you're obviously going to come down on us no matter what we do, so we're now going to go nuclear on you."

Date: 2009-09-13 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blaketiger.insanejournal.com
Someone posted the email with a title saying it was an official comment by Marvel. When it was pointed out that Fred Van Lente was speaking only on his own behalf, this was editted. I assume that's what he's referring to.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fungo_squiggly.insanejournal.com
Why would Fred Van Lente want to speak more carefully when addressing scans_daily, rather than a lone fan?

Possibly because scans_daily is a den of easily-enraged comics geeks who love to pile on with harsh rhetoric whenever a writer puts their foot in their mouth and comes across as sounding flippant or offensive.

I don't even mean that in a bad way... but this is definitely not a place where a comics creator ought to speak without thinking.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thandrak.insanejournal.com
Still, the newswire isn't good.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleome45.insanejournal.com
Or just go Luddite, and use private email lists instead of posting on the internet.

Ah, youth! (And, yeah, I do know of boards that ended up reverting to that system of communication because harassers and hackers just couldn't stop being assholes.)

Date: 2009-09-13 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foxhack.insanejournal.com
I'm sorry, but there's no way in hell we were not supposed to interpret that scene as sex. Especially with the whole wearing Peter's clothes thing. Why would she wear his shirt in the first place?


I'm still disappointed.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thandrak.insanejournal.com
Actually, I saw a design for a sort of web page that was served off people's computers. A P2P variant of S_D, if you would. Pretty close to unstoppable, I _think_, but possibly individually sueable.

Date: 2009-09-13 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottyquick.insanejournal.com
Ah! Thank you.
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