It's a wonderful life: starring Bruce wayne.

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Gotham Adventures #33

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[icon_uk.insanejournal.com]

Robin: Okay, I'll make a deal with you. If we go out on patrol and Gotham is quiet, with no sign of the Joker, we come back here, have Christmas dinner and watch "It's A Wonderful Life".

Batman: You know, I've never seen that. I could never get past the title.

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Dick Grayson: Come on, Bruce. You're gonna love "It's a Wonderful Life"
Bruce Wayne: It's not relentlessly cheerful, is it?
Dick Grayson: No, it's about the difference one man can make to an entire city. Sound familiar?

B:TAS - Christmas with the Joker

Such a sad story, but very nicely told.

Interesting that the Joker still had his dip in the chemical bath even without a Batman.

[jedd_the_jedi.insanejournal.com]

I never noticed that last point. Interesting. Maybe Jack Napier is just...clumsy?

[thosefew.insanejournal.com]

When the kids aren't around he sings "Somewhere out There"

Or maybe, "I need a Hero"

[jelly_ace.insanejournal.com]

I love this dialogue. A very good example of why the Bruce/Dick relationship is so...er...dynamic.

[retro_nouveau.insanejournal.com]

Interesting that the Joker still had his dip in the chemical bath even without a Batman.

Yes! I think he would have been extremely different without that fateful day at Axis Chemicals. I would say that in the DCAU, he was working his way up in Sal Valestra's organization with the goal of taking over (after Sal retired or had an "accident", whatever). No Batman, no Joker.

[icon_uk.insanejournal.com]

Well, as they say in the BTAS episode "The Trial", without Batman the gimmicks would have been different, but they'd probably still have been out there causing chaos.

So instead of focussing on Batman and upping his game repeatedly to challenge him, the Joker (after possibly dealing with the security guard/policeman/fellow crook who caused him to fall into the acid) seems a lot less of a threat, essentially becoming a Fagin style character rather than the world feared "Clown Prince of Crime". With Batman you NEED to be the best to be a recurring threat, Mr J here hasn't got that impetus.

[aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com]

Interesting that the Joker still had his dip in the chemical bath even without a Batman.

The DCAU makes it a point to show that, even without Batman as catalyst, the crazy villains of Gotham would still have been crazy villains.

[omgwtflolbbqbye.insanejournal.com]

Actually, I don't recall the DCAU Joker having a Red Hood origin story or any mention of Batman being responsible for him.

As far as I can remember he was sort of like The Joker in The Dark Knight, already pre-fabulous.

[icon_uk.insanejournal.com]

Nope. The episode "Beware the Creeper" starts with a documentary from Jack Ryder featuring a reconstruction of the Joker's origin as a "nameless gunsel" (and if you know the REAL meaning of that term, you'll get the REAL joke of the scene), who is shown falling into a vat of chemicals whilst raiding a card company and being interrupted by Batman.

[kingrockwell]

From what I know, the most often assumed meaning came from its use in the Maltese Falcon, because the kid Sam was taunting with it so often was Gutman's gunman. Though there's also the Big Sleep, where the kid with the gun was in fact a homosexual (more obvious in the book than the movie, of course).

Either way, it's mostly Hammett and Chandler's fault.

[aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com]

Actually, Hammett knew what it meant. He was trying to tweak an editor's nose by using it, figuring it would get cut like a number of his, enh, euphemisms. The editor thought it was another word for gunman, due to the context of the guy being called a gunsel was weilding a gun.

[kingrockwell]

Oh, I know that, that's why I said Sam was taunting the kid. I'm just saying that's where the people who misused the term most likely picked it up.