[identity profile] jlroberson.insanejournal.com posting in [community profile] scans_daily
From 1955, a bit of a rarity; a docucomic drawn by Graham Ingels. From one of EC's last sputters before the Comics Code.







I'd like to see a "history week" here.








Date: 2009-09-27 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thanekos.insanejournal.com
no *choke*?

i am disappoint

Date: 2009-09-27 04:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com
I recall the Temple of Asklepios being adorned with apparent success stories from its former patrons, both outlandish and realistic.

Additionally, while doctors were sill superstitious and overzealous during the time of the Crusades, their equivalents in the Middle East were ahead of them by leaps and bounds, recognising the importance of fresh fruit to the diet and finding methods of treating wounded limbs without amputation.

Date: 2009-09-27 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
Not to mention the far east.

Date: 2009-09-27 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thediiem.insanejournal.com
As someone who has taken my fair share of medical history courses, the level of misinformation and outright lies seen here is hilarious.

Date: 2009-09-27 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blakeyrat.insanejournal.com
And it's really, really unfair to call doctors during the Civil War (and a century before, into the early 18th century really) "butchers." How many lives were saved by amputations?

Did they operate without anesthetics? No. (Chloroform is an anesthetic.) Was the operation extremely painful? Yes. Was the rate of success extremely low? Yes.

(But here's the most important part)

Were the odds of survival for one operated on higher than one not? Much higher.

Also: no mention of Oliver Wendall Holmes? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Oliver_Wendell_Holmes,_Sr. That guy's my medical hero.

This story is basically taking a long continuum (the development of medicine) and vastly simplifying it into "no medicine" (20th century hits) "medicine!"

Date: 2009-09-27 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janegray.insanejournal.com
Did they operate without anesthetics? No. (Chloroform is an anesthetic.) Was the operation extremely painful? Yes

If they used anesthetics, why was the operation extremely painful?

Date: 2009-09-27 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnightvoyager.insanejournal.com
Not all anesthetics are created equal.

Date: 2009-09-27 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browbeetled.insanejournal.com
When I am in pain, I, too, tend to say, "Sob sob." It's very therapeutic.

Date: 2009-09-27 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com
Man. I was expecting some kind of twist, and then it didn't come! THAT BLEW MY MIND!

Date: 2009-09-28 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
Well, THIS is ridiculously one-sided. I mean, while a number of the things it says are TRUE - up until only a few centuries ago, any kind of surgery was an exceptionally agonizing business (hell, dentists only started using anesthetic sometime in the mid-20th century) - this seems to imply that the true study of medicine basically sprang into being full-formed sometime in the mid-1800's, following an abortive attempt by the ancient Greeks. Do tell. I'm sure all the doctors and herbalists and midwives and healers and shamans and alchemists and wise men and whatnot going back thousands and thousands of years would be VERY interested to hear that.
I fear that this is an early result of the stealthy hand of the pharmaceutical companies. Even then, its touch was felt. I mean, seriously, the amount of sheer ignorance of basic herbal and homeopathic cures displayed by your average M.D is astounding. A few years back, when I got my wisdom teeth taken out, I was prescribed a pill for the pain that barely worked at all. Luckily, my Mom had a homeopathic remedy on hand that worked about a thousand times better - and when she mentioned this to the doctor later, NOBODY IN THE ENTIRE BUILDING had heard of it!

Date: 2009-09-29 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
You mean the whole issue is like this? Gadzooks!

Date: 2009-09-29 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
So basically, the whole issue is dedicated to the family-friendly M.D version of the two-fisted scientist archetype.

Date: 2009-09-29 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
'Whole SERIES'? Hang on, I thought this was EC. You mean to tell me that EC Comics, purveyor of horrors for young and old, actually did a series about heroic doctors and their all-American fight against disease?

Date: 2009-09-29 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
Oh, I can guess, all right - but the concept is still somewhat staggering. It's like hearing that your neighborhood Hell's Angel is a bible salesman in his spare time.

Date: 2009-09-29 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
That I'm actually not all that surprised about. I can picture them doing some great fire-and-brimstone Old Testament stuff - that seems to play more to their strengths. But doctors? THRILL! As the pediatrician prescribes a vitamin tonic for little Johnny! CHILL! As the heart specialist scolds his overweight patient for eating bacon! GASP! As the podiatrist ponders what type of orthopedic shoe is required to help Mrs. Terwilliger's flat feet! SCREAM! As the plastic surgeon deftly removes a mole from a starlet's elbow!
OK, OK, so it'd probably be more like emergency room stuff. But still, the concept of doctors doing actual MEDICINE in an EC comic, instead of giving their clients pills to drive them mad or transplanting a human brain into a gorilla's body, just seems fundamentally WRONG somehow.

Date: 2009-09-30 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
I was right? Drat! I hate it when I'm right like that.

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