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Four scans apiece from this week's Thor #603 (the time between releases has led this series to attain a quasi-mythic status all its own) and Wonder Woman #36.

In case you've forgotten, last time on Thor:

Sif's back; everyone in Asgard is an easily-duped moron, most especially Balder; Loki and Dr. Doom are up to no good; Bill abandoned everything to chase after Kelda.

First, we check in with Thor/Donald and Sif.  While they figure out their next move, Sif needs a place to stay.

The cat is a Loki-camera; he laughs, and assumes that Mr. Sooner filed the form under "H for Harlot".

Loki then goes about his latest evil schemes:  Doom is readying a squad of Doombots to kill Blake (instantly, before he can transform), and Loki delivers up a few Asgardians for Doom to vivisect alive in order to research immortality for himself (Doom is impressed that the brain can function for about five minutes after the heart is removed).

Meanwhile, Bill's still the only person around who isn't a moron, and is convinced that Loki is up to no good, while Kelda talks about other stuff (for example, the coat Bill is wearing is made of unicorn fur; apparently, the Asgardians hunted them to extinction, unaware there were so few of them).  Kelda makes yet another insinuation that she wants Bill to fuck her.

That dialogue bit at the bottom there is Loki chatting up Vivisection Subject #1 before abducting him.

Aw, that's sweet, but, Kelda, you do know there's no reason you couldn't go too, right?  You might be useful.

Like maybe you could have stopped this:


If Bill survives this, I propose that be be Lord of Asgard, because neither Thor nor Balder have to this point exhibited the cognitive functions that should be necessary to do the job.

Meanwhile, over in Wonder Woman, further developments in the romance of the century, Achilles and Alkyone.

What about a swan?  Duck?  Shower of rain?

I find Achilles' characterization so far a bit confusing; at various points other people act like he's the mythical Achilles, and he himself later claims that he was considered "the greatest warrior who ever lived" - but nothing about how this guy acts suggests he has decades of life experience.  Is he actually a new being but is running with the other explanation to mask his inexperience?

Diana spends most of the issue narrating how Tom turned her down (to Giganta, of all people), then gets called by Pele telling her that Zeus's new champion is on the move.  Wondy arrives on the scene of an impending invasion of one unnamed country by another larger one; the Olympians are here to prevent it, she's here to prevent them from killing soldiers on both sides.  Somewhat inexplicably, Giganta agreed to go along with Diana, and a fight breaks out.

Date: 2009-09-30 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluefall.insanejournal.com
Probably since Etta and Diana became BFFs.

Date: 2009-09-30 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mullon.insanejournal.com
I don't see the connection.

Date: 2009-09-30 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluefall.insanejournal.com
Gail has presented Etta and Diana as though they were super-tight bosom buddies who've been aw shucks besties 4 life! for years. This take on their relationship has precisely zero foundation, and no emotional resonance, because the last twenty years of canon has demonstrated quite clearly that there are easily hundreds of people with whom Diana is closer than she has ever been or probably could ever be with Etta.

Similarly, Gail has presented Giganta and Diana, who have pretty much no relationship whatsoever and have fought like, four times, as long-term enemies on a first name basis with significant emotional investment in each other (negative though that emotion may normally be). This equally foundationless emotional beat rings equally hollow.

That said, with Giganta at least, Gail's hardly the first - writers have been talking her up as significant to Diana way out of proportion to her actual canon since Jimenez first gave her that body. So in neither sense should it be surprising that they're on a first-name basis here; that's both typical of how Giganta gets treated, and typical of Gail's run in general.

Date: 2009-09-30 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mullon.insanejournal.com
Does this have something to do with that whole "forgetting Giganta is a known felon whose done things she really should be in jail for" thing?

Date: 2009-09-30 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluefall.insanejournal.com
Now I don't see the connection.

Date: 2009-09-30 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mullon.insanejournal.com
Between this and dating Atom, it feels like Simone is trying to make Giganta less villainous than her past actions would indicate. Having her on a first name basis with Wonder Woman feels like a part of that.

Date: 2009-10-01 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluefall.insanejournal.com
Well, honestly, she's never been all that villainous. Every now and then she tries to beat up Justice Leaguers, and once, she took an assassination contract, mostly out of fear for her own life. The Union of Psychopaths, Megalomaniacs, Evil Geniuses and Costumed Killers (North American chapter) isn't exactly going to be giving her any awards for Excellence in the Field of Snidely Whiplash Shenanigans anytime soon.

Date: 2009-09-30 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarodrussell.insanejournal.com
Kind of like how Oracle and Huntress became bosom buddies in BoP, despite the previous animosity?

Date: 2009-09-30 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluefall.insanejournal.com
Not particularly, since as you say, Hel and Babs became close, rather than quite suddenly being close out of nowhere the moment Helena showed up.

Date: 2009-09-30 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarodrussell.insanejournal.com
Ah, I see the problem. I dialed in Dimension 8675308, not my home dimension on 8675309. This must be the Huntress Totally Does Not Mind Being Lies To And Tricked By The Bat Family Universe. Let me just...there. Have a nice day.


Date: 2009-09-30 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluefall.insanejournal.com
Well, clearly you're in some kind of wrong universe, since yours apparently in yours, Between Dark and Dawn was never published.

Date: 2009-10-01 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janegray.insanejournal.com
Gail has presented Etta and Diana as though they were super-tight bosom buddies who've been aw shucks besties 4 life! for years. This take on their relationship has precisely zero foundation, and no emotional resonance, because the last twenty years of canon has demonstrated quite clearly that there are easily hundreds of people with whom Diana is closer than she has ever been or probably could ever be with Etta.

But wasn't that shortly after the Crisis? Canon wasn't the same after that, in the new canon isn't it possible that Etta and Diana really have been BFF?

Date: 2009-10-01 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluefall.insanejournal.com
I would say likely, even. That doesn't make it any less false or awkward on the page.

First thing that happened after Infinite Crisis should have been a page in the back of the first issue saying "in this new world, Diana showed up at the same time as Batman and Superman and was a founding Justice Leaguer. The monarchy was never dissolved and Donna Troy was... whateverthefuck we decided to do with her, and Etta Candy has been Diana's best friend in Man's World since they first met." If you are going to change things, if you want the fans to roll with it, they need to know what to roll with, first.

Date: 2009-10-05 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gailsimone.insanejournal.com
Meh. This is like retconning out Supergirl when they did Crisis. It worked for the moment, but it went against something very much at the heart of the character's history. I like the Perez Etta as a template, but Diana needs a grounded friend, and Julia, Vanessa, and those people didn't fit with the DMA background. It's a deliberate evolution of the character, but I think it's extrapolated quite fairly from the material we have, and Rucka and I have a great little story showing what hasn't yet been shown that made her a bit more fearsome and less timid.

As for Giganta, hmm. I'm following what's been put in front of me on this one, and she's been spoken of as if they'd been enemies for some time in her previous appearances. However, I have never seen an adequate reason for WHY she hates Wonder Woman the way she does.

So here we have an interesting character with no real motivation, which means their conflicts are usually going to be a bit of a thin gruel. So we are exploring that...it's just beginning, really.


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