Thunderbolts #42

[iamrman]

Wonder Man out of nowhere!

Comments

[dan_ingram]

I miss Charcoal. Shame his creators didn't try to work things out with Marvel :(

[lbd_nytetrayn]

What's the story there?

[zachbeacon]

Even shorter than last time version:

Wizard Magazine had a "create a villain" fan contest and then failed to deliver on any of the rewards beyond "this character will appear in a comic".

Marvel used him as a series regular in Thunderbolts until they decided he was more trouble than he was worth legally on account of the creators actually wanting to be compensated.

[lbd_nytetrayn]

Oh, right!

I forgot about that. Sorry, my mind just went to an Angela/Pen Kenders sort of thing.

[zachbeacon]

I mean there's really no shortage of ways that someone who created a character got screwed over by someone with more money and less creative input.

Charcoal feels like a unique case - if only because this feels less Marvel's fault than Wizard's - but I can't help but think about Randy Schueller's involvement in Venom's creation... both in the sense that Marvel refuses to acknowledge the creator and I think the creator has less to do with the character's popularity than the professional creative teams that fleshed him out.

But if Rob Liefeld is going to continue getting credit for Deadpool then they really ought to do the same for the Frosts...even if Fabian and others did most of the work in both cases.

[mazway_75]

Notable when Erik assumes Mankiller will help and she just runs to save herself with a bit of a shot at him.

"Did you think you had a chance with me? My name is Mankiller, that wasn't a clue why I wouldn't be interested in you?"

[beyondthefringe]

Given that, as Amazon, she made a halfway decent member of the Thunderbolts for a while, I've always felt she could be another one capable of making a decent go of it as a not-villain. Maybe not -hero- but there could be a place for her in the morally grey areas or with proper motivation.
(Imagine: Titania, Amazon, and Frenzy as this trio of immensely powerful female badasses taking care of business across the Marvel landscape...)

[cainofdreaming]

"I just punched someone into bits! Whee! Good thing I'll never be a pacifist or I might look back at this with horror."

[zachbeacon]

Years later in the Bendis era:

Wonder Man: I'm putting together a team to yell at the Avengers about their irresponsible behavior. You want in?

Altas: I can't think of any reason why not.

[scorntx]

Now, given Simon's... long history of questionable or just outright bad decisions, I'm sure that this time he at least has a good reason for attacking Atlas?
Maybe?
A little?
... he doesn't, does he?

[iamrman]

Spoilers.

It is all part of a crossover with the Avengers.

[scorntx]

Ah. So a reason, just not a good one.
(Good ol' Wonder Man.)

[mastermahan]

As I recall, he's being mind-controlled by Count Nefaria.