I feel like that’s the worst possible extrapolation from their long histories, and one might argue it was a few universal reboots ago so it’s less applicable today.
Of course, it also comes down to which aspects the writers and editors choose to keep and which they quietly retcon or ignore. DC wants them to be comparatively “safe” anti-heroes so…
Kind of like villain-washing Magneto, Emma, Juggernaut. Giving redemption arcs to Otto, Lex, Norman Osborn.
Hell, I refuse to let John Greycrow off the hook for killing kids during the Mutant Massacre, no matter how long ago that was and how many clones he’s been through since.
But at least Harley and Ivy have been more “good” or plausibly heroic in the past few decades compared to Joker, which makes a difference of some sort.
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Of course, it also comes down to which aspects the writers and editors choose to keep and which they quietly retcon or ignore. DC wants them to be comparatively “safe” anti-heroes so…
Kind of like villain-washing Magneto, Emma, Juggernaut. Giving redemption arcs to Otto, Lex, Norman Osborn.
Hell, I refuse to let John Greycrow off the hook for killing kids during the Mutant Massacre, no matter how long ago that was and how many clones he’s been through since.
But at least Harley and Ivy have been more “good” or plausibly heroic in the past few decades compared to Joker, which makes a difference of some sort.