[personal profile] lynxara 2009-11-26 08:47 am (UTC)(link)
Second. I think he's really a very clever piece of work given his premise.
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[personal profile] box_in_the_box 2009-11-26 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
I guess my problem is that I refuse to forgive his premise.

I hate the inherent biological determinism in it, and I hate his Scrappy Doo gone EXTREEEME personality.

Like Superboy Prime and Doctor Rape Light, he pretty much personifies a whole shitload of things that I hate about comics right now.
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[personal profile] stig 2009-11-26 10:00 am (UTC)(link)
And here I thought he's meant to be the strawman personification of the 90s total dick Batman personality, and is a comedic character because Morrison has reduced that personality to nothing more than a whiny child.
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[personal profile] box_in_the_box 2009-11-26 10:12 am (UTC)(link)
This would be awesome if I thought it was true, but at least half his appearances seem to feature older and wiser heroes jobbing to him to show how badass he is.

[identity profile] brandiweed.livejournal.com 2009-11-26 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought that was just standard super/badass introduction.
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[personal profile] sistermagpie 2009-11-26 03:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly. Not to mention GM himself has said, and has had characters like Alfred say, that he's in fact a great hero "underneath" his personality because of his genes.

Also even Batman's 90s personality, as difficult as it is, isn't just a whiny child, but even if it was I don't see why that would be worth creating an entire Robin character as a joke on it. If you don't like it write Batman better, don't replace him with an even more extreme version that you made up and gave special powers to.
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[personal profile] freddylloyd 2009-11-27 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
"Biological determinism"? Surely the fact that Damian was raised within the League of Assassins offers a great deal of "nurture" alongside whatever "nature" might have provided (if he's indeed Bruce Wayne's son).
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[personal profile] kenn_el 2009-11-26 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Bruce would NEVER be so stupid nor unprepared as to have any part in Damien's creation. Therefore I don't accept Damien's existence. However, in an 'Elseworld's' kind of way, where Bruce is 'dead' and Barbara was stupid enough to fling open a door without checking first, Damien's kind of awesome!
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[personal profile] freddylloyd 2009-11-27 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
You're assuming that Bruce did have a "part in Damian's creation." Certainly Damian believes that, and Talia wants the world to believe it, and Bruce and Alfred are letting the world believe it. But I've noticed a conspicuous amount of direct confirmation when people ask the question (e.g., Tim in the Batman RIP sequence).
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[personal profile] kenn_el 2009-11-27 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
I wasn't sure whether they were making "Son of the Demon" canon or not. I can totally buy Talia attempting a scam, and even Bruce giving a deluded boy a chance. Just not being stupid and unprepared. (And, no, I will never buy him trusting Talia, at least not with the chance to create a kid.)
So I hope you're right.
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[personal profile] freddylloyd 2009-11-27 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
As I understand the situation, DC has specified that Son of the Demon is still not part of the standard continuity, not least because it conflicts with what Batman and Son and later stories say about Damian. It was one of Morrison’s inspirations, but not a story he tried to match.

However, we also have to recall that this is a comic-book universe, where science doesn't work the way we know it. Peter Tomasi (who was the first to contact Grant Morrison about writing Batman and heard his ideas before anyone) showed Talia involved in cloning, accelerated growth, gene-splicing, and other fun stuff in Nightwing: Free Fall. So there are ways Damian could be the genetic offspring of Bruce Wayne without being the result of an unprotected roll in the desert.
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[personal profile] kenn_el 2009-11-27 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm actually cool with that. Just so long as Talia et al had to work (no, not THAT way!) to create Damien. There ARE things Bruce truly couldn't guard against, being only human. But writing him as naively trusting doesn't work for me.