Aw, hell.

Feb. 9th, 2010 07:28 pm
neuhallidae: (Default)
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So while looking through the April Solicits for Marvel again, I suddenly got hit with a stomach clench of dread...


Pencils & Cover by DENYS COWAN
For the first time ever, see the full story of the first meeting of Captain America and the Black Panther! It’s a World War Two adventure featuring a young Steve Rogers, the Black Panther and Nick Fury and his Howling Commandos in combat with the nastiest Nazi villains in the Marve Universe!

Just to clarify, this is the same first meeting that Hudlin's already rewritten twice now (once for comic, once for TV) to make Cap stupider, douchier, and more useless each time, right? And yet he's getting not only a third shot at it, but a miniseries for it?



I suppose it's too much to hope that we'll be retconning back to the Priest version of the story for this one.

tags: char: black panther/t'chaka, char: captain america/steve rogers, creator: denys cowan, creator: reginald hudlin, publisher: marvel comics

Date: 2010-02-10 12:44 am (UTC)
darkblade: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkblade
WTF are those things Panther is holding supposed to be?

Date: 2010-02-10 12:47 am (UTC)
darkblade: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkblade
Two doubled bladed scythes. That is a good way to cripple yourself.

Date: 2010-02-10 02:01 am (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Not as good as swordchucks, though. Wakanda is lagging behind in self-maiming technology.

Date: 2010-02-10 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
Don't forget the double-bladed light-sabre-chucks. A weapon so freaking suicidal, it's actually kind of cool.

Date: 2010-02-10 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
well this is in the 1940's.

Date: 2010-02-10 03:10 am (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Klingon Can Openers?

Date: 2010-02-10 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
Marvel better have reined him in and pointed out that they've just brought Steve back so they want him treated with respect.

Date: 2010-02-10 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
... Bwahahaha!

Oh, sorry. You were being serious.

Never mind.


Date: 2010-02-10 12:51 am (UTC)
ext_399474: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
The hell is wrong with Cap's headwings? Really what the hell was he artist thinking?

Date: 2010-02-10 01:04 am (UTC)
sarno001: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sarno001
He looks like he's trying to fly away...

Date: 2010-02-10 01:04 am (UTC)
tacobob: Mordecai Not Very Impressed (Default)
From: [personal profile] tacobob
They're like Namor's feet wings! Fly Cap Fly!

Date: 2010-02-10 02:28 am (UTC)
joasakura: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joasakura
Get out while you can, Cap!!!

Oh! I know!

Date: 2010-02-10 01:51 am (UTC)
angel_negra: Gunpei: hey, baby! (Hey_Baby)
From: [personal profile] angel_negra
*raises hand* I know what he was thinking! He was thinking: SHWINGGG!


Date: 2010-02-10 02:19 pm (UTC)
sir_mikael: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sir_mikael
It looks like he's in some kind of Opera, like that Valkyries thing what with the pose and one of those viking hats.

Date: 2010-02-10 12:56 am (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
maybe it'll turn out this is actually a house party sequel

Date: 2010-02-10 01:03 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Death of the Endless)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
T'Chaka? So I guess this was his dad then?
And speaking of Priest, you know what was a cool comic with better art by Cowan? Steel, or at least the one issue I have. The quality of Cowan's art can really depend on his inker, I found. When he's got a good one, you get some great-looking comics, but when he's got a bad one, You get Lovers & Madmen. This looks somewhere between middle and bad (somebody call Sienkiewicz!).

Date: 2010-02-10 02:54 am (UTC)
colonel_green: (Default)
From: [personal profile] colonel_green
Grandfather, I believe, is the current continuity.

Date: 2010-02-10 06:01 am (UTC)
kusonaga: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kusonaga
Nah, T'Chaka should still be his pappy. He's quite young still during WWII.

Date: 2010-02-10 01:06 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Babs Gordon)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
wait am i reading it wrong or does that say Janson as in Klaus?
so looking at it closer, it's really the coloring that troubles me here, Cowan has a much older style that just doesn't work with bright, ugly colors

Date: 2010-02-10 01:14 am (UTC)
sun_man: this is Dick Grayson (Default)
From: [personal profile] sun_man
this will be awesome I love seeing Black Panther kick Caps butt

Date: 2010-02-10 01:15 am (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax
I just imagine Panther and Steve meeting was pretty much the movie Lethal Weapon.


Date: 2010-02-10 01:47 am (UTC)
adonca: (Default)
From: [personal profile] adonca
Oh *goody*. It seems that Marvel hasn't quite gotten the hint that Hudlin's retcon is something readers would just as well be quietly forgotten in favor of Priest's much better version.

Sadly, I suspect all this is BECAUSE Hudlin dropped the ball so badly, in him claiming "What do you MEAN it's not awesome? Here, I'll show you it's awesomer than anything!" All while utterly lacking in the ability to improve it, and a demonstrated ability to make it WORSE.

Date: 2010-02-10 03:07 am (UTC)
box_in_the_box: (Default)
From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
Marvel seems to have this pissy attitude toward its readers, when they reject certain pet writers and their projects, to the point that they're practically screaming THE MORE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS WRITER, THE MORE BOOKS WE'LL PUT HIM ON JUST TO SPITE YOU. See also: Chuck Austen, for a while.

Date: 2010-02-10 03:11 am (UTC)
joasakura: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joasakura
I sort of BSOD every time I try to wrap my head around that mentality.

Date: 2010-02-10 03:13 am (UTC)
koschei: (Default)
From: [personal profile] koschei
Actually, I think they're terrified exerting proper editorial control over Hudlin will result in them being made out as racist douches by the guy's (suitibly egged on) minions fans.

Date: 2010-02-10 03:57 am (UTC)
kashmirkong: I dont want to go... (sad)
From: [personal profile] kashmirkong
At this point I'm willing to bet there's a big plaque in the Marvel offices that says "If people hate you, you must be doing something right".

They've probably made it their mission statement now.

Date: 2010-02-10 04:01 am (UTC)
box_in_the_box: (Default)
From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
The sad thing is, you think you're kidding, but Joe Quesada has already stated that it is his primary guiding goal in everything that he does:

"I learned very quickly that the dumber the thing I said online, the more hits we got, and ultimately, the viral message will get carried by the fans who're irate about it. So if someone is pissed off at me because I said something ridiculously stupid about a character, they would then go to Bendis' board, or John Byrne's board, or all these other message boards, and say 'Do you believe what this jack-ass just said?' Now, all of a sudden, something dumb that I've said [...] is everywhere. It's not necessarily the quote, but it's everywhere. I'll take it, you're promoting my name, you're promoting our policies, you're promoting Marvel. So, I did learn to play with the internet in that fashion. And that's always fun to do, to say, 'Okay, what can I say today that will piss people off?'"

You're just poking people with the internet as your stick.

"It's fun."

Date: 2010-02-10 04:07 am (UTC)
sarno001: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sarno001
you're promoting our policies


Date: 2010-02-10 08:03 am (UTC)
bensanaz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bensanaz
To be fair, comics fans will facilitate this pretty handily, raging online and then wrapping it up with "I'll give this six more issues to shape up and then it's off my pull list". Or, even better, "I hate this so much but I'll keep buying it to see where it goes". When you do that, guess what: your rage really is just free advertising because it's not actually costing the your sale.

Date: 2010-02-10 08:32 am (UTC)
bensanaz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bensanaz
My premise isn't that Marvel's sales are doing well. My premise is that the fanboys who rage loudly online frequently do so instead of actually not buying the book, and that this is at best ineffective and at worst free advertising for the thing they hate.

Date: 2010-02-10 08:39 am (UTC)
box_in_the_box: (Default)
From: [personal profile] box_in_the_box
And my premise is that more and more of the fanboys who rage online, who might have kept on buying the books in the past when they raged, are finally dropping the books, in greater and greater numbers, so for once, Marvel DOES need to pay attention to them, because the usual assumptions of "Oh, they'll complain, but they'll still buy the books" are being PROVEN false by those sales numbers. The Spider-Man and Iron Man titles are now selling TENS OF THOUSANDS LESS copies per issue NOW than they were BEFORE both characters became the subjects of some of the most financially successful and popular films OF ALL TIME. There simply is no way to argue, given that fact, that the fanboys who bitch AREN'T finally quitting the books in massive numbers.

Date: 2010-02-10 09:01 am (UTC)
bensanaz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bensanaz
I believe you are also arguing from an unproven assertion - specifically, that the sales drop is caused by angry fanboys leaving the book. I don't claim that my assertion is provable beyond anecdotal evidence (in this case, having seen on numerous message boards the laughable "four/six/whatever more issue to improve or it's off my pull list" threat), but your numbers also do not establish "fanboys who bitch quitting the books in massive numbers" as the cause rather than, for example, inevitable shrinkage from the major companies continuing to fixate on "the base" rather than attempting to spread their primary product to a wider market, or a general decline of the economy between 1999 and 2009 (your years for data points).

Date: 2010-02-11 12:12 am (UTC)
v_various: (Default)
From: [personal profile] v_various
"he Spider-Man and Iron Man titles are now selling TENS OF THOUSANDS LESS copies per issue NOW than they were BEFORE both characters became the subjects of some of the most financially successful and popular films OF ALL TIME. There simply is no way to argue, given that fact, that the fanboys who bitch AREN'T finally quitting the books in massive numbers."

you're wrong, it's because scans_daily lets people read comics for free, silly.

Date: 2010-02-10 02:47 am (UTC)
foxhack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] foxhack

Date: 2010-02-10 04:47 am (UTC)
proteus_lives: (Default)
From: [personal profile] proteus_lives

Not him.

This is going to be bad.

Date: 2010-02-10 05:38 am (UTC)
salamangkiero: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salamangkiero
Marvel seems to be on a quest to find out what people's breaking points are when it comes to buying their books.

And, as an observation on BP's weapons, all I can say is that he better make sure he's not digging out the blades from his ribs.

Date: 2010-02-10 07:44 am (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
Breaking News - Christopher Priest remains unemployed in the comic book industry. Western civilization expected to fall next week.

Date: 2010-02-10 08:19 am (UTC)
valtyr: (Sad Tony)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Yeah, I noticed that. *sigh*

But let's be fair; he also makes the Black Panther appear douchier. I don't think he means to, but he does.

Sooo I'm just filing this under 'not even if it was free'. Because I actually want to keep liking these characters, which means I will be sticking with the account where a monarch and a general actually, you know, tried diplomacy.

Date: 2010-02-10 11:10 pm (UTC)
leikomgwtfbbq: (Default)
From: [personal profile] leikomgwtfbbq
Did Black Panther always wear a cape? I don't remember him with a cape before.

Also, his weapons look awful impractical. Like giant double-ended can openers. Perhaps he is feeding his panther friends some din-dins.

Also also, I like the Black Panther, but some of Mr Hudlin's retcons and fiddlings-about bug me immensely.


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