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PG's boob window? It's empowering or a symbol placeholder or something.
Helena's bare abs? She worked out a lot.
Wonder Woman's whole ensemble?

It has been explained before with the Diana Trevor story, though I guess a tip of the hat to a woman who gave her life to aid them wasn't good enough. Really drilling that in with Hippolyta wearing the flag in the scene right before this yet dropping the connection in favor of some coincidental weather and a few stars that might be Cassiopeia.

For a moment there I almost thought this was closer to the present day, ignoring the sudden break in the story, and they might actually be trashing the swim suit in favor of something less ridiculous.

Silly, optimism. Sensible clothing is for kids* (and men).

*If you know of something that contradicts this, please don't tell me. I don't want to know.

Date: 2010-04-27 07:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] demonprawn
I don't disagree entirely. I think it's sufficiently different with the gold W the only clear thing is the Star pants and I think that can, like above be, interpreted differently. If there was a movie and they steered clear of all the Americanism I don't think an audience would have a hard time accepting it.

On top of which, it will always come across as obnoxious to some Americans. For a hero who identifies with America and America's cause, to wear our banner honors it. From a character who does not identify with our country and our cause, it comes across as mockery.

Her cause is World Peace and love so...

Date: 2010-04-27 07:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] richardak
You can make any cause sound good by saying it's all about peace and love. Her cause is internationalism/globalism; if you think that's the way to peace and love, fine. That might mean you are also a globalist. Suffice it to say that I don't agree.

Date: 2010-04-27 07:23 am (UTC)
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I would'nt be able to keep up in an argument about globalisim and nationalism so I won't try. You'd have me beat there.

But I don't think that saying that her costume can't be seen any way but as an American flag, or that she must conform to a set cause if it does and that NO rationalisation can change that. I disagree I think some rationalisation can change that. I don't see her as Ms.Captain America I think explanation such as the one in this post can distance her from the American connotations in the costume.

And I think your right with Marston's original intentions the links were there and intentional. But just like with a lot of her original portrayals and details a lot has changed.

Date: 2010-04-27 07:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] richardak
Clearly, if you see her costume as something other than an American flag, it can be seen that way. My point is that most of the people that Simone referred to asking why Wonder Woman is wearing an American flag are not going to be satisfied by this or any other rationalization.

Let me put it this way: of these new readers who have questioned Simone about this, how many do you think didn't know what Wonder Woman's costume looked like before they started reading the comic? Her costume is one of the most recognized attributes of the character. I suspect that most of them, because of their familiarity with her costume, expect something like a female version of Captain America, and are surprised not to get it. (Obviously I don't see her as Ms. Captain America any more than you do.) Hence their questions.

Date: 2010-04-27 07:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] demonprawn
I guess you have a point there. Perhaps If she had a larger, more modern entry into wide spread pop culture it could sway in my direction more. Perhaps I'm looking at this from too close a perspective. I see it but at the same time I kinda see past it.


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