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What's all the fuss about?

When an internet message board troll who has practically made Didio-bashing a profession gets written into a DC Comics issue to be beaten and embarrassed, I think the people who published that product should be more ashamed than the target.


"Harold Winer".

Who goes on to become "Herald".

A shot at a message board poster who obsesses over D-level and lesser characters on the 'net, with the user name of Herald.

Who happens to be black just like the character in the book.

Who has gotten into arguments with DC Comics creators and had one say that he is well known in the DC offices, where he is regularly laughed at.

Sadly, if you remove this thinly veiled shot at a reader from the equation, the writing involved in making this "Harold Winer" character is even worse. But the thought process behind actually using 5 pages (and possibly more to come) to take a shot at a hater is just impossible for me to come to grips with.

We want to argue that the online fan presence is a vocal minority, right? I've actually started to embrace that idea more over the last year. But when members within that group can have such an effect on you that you have to devote pages to taking them down? Makes me wonder how much the people behind the scenes believe it.


Seriously, how pathetic and immature is that? This is just like Joe Quesada inventing a Spider-Man villain called Dr. Box who tries to shrink Spider-Man's penis.

creator: dan didio,creator: don kramer,publisher: dc comics,title: outsiders
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Date: 2010-05-04 03:03 am (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax


Date: 2010-05-04 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
Really if I was the "Herald" i'd have the greatest sense of satisfaction. A lowly internet poster out of millions gets to DC so much that Didio makes him a character in a book?

Date: 2010-05-04 03:10 am (UTC)
chipsnopotatoes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chipsnopotatoes
I'm sorry, I don't know the history of Herald and Dan, but I had to laugh at the first panel. Somehow, I can't imagine Didio writing the words "fashionista revolution" in his story. (I've not read anything else he's written btw)

Also, looks like they missed a typo there. When Lia talks to her asst about getting rid of the other woman, she says "Remindes..." instead of "Reminds..."

Date: 2010-05-04 03:13 am (UTC)
kashmirkong: He don't! (batman dont dance)
From: [personal profile] kashmirkong
Exactly. What Dido's done is told every troll on the internet that if you push their buttons the right way, they'll put you in a comic.

He's given them incentive if nothing else.

Date: 2010-05-04 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
"Didio Sinks to a New Low???"

Okay, my first reaction to that is, he had anywhere to go?

And there is still a serious issue here. It's all very well to right-off the complaints of whiny, obsessive fans -- but dismissing *every* complaint in this way makes you look ridiculously unprofessional. And also makes you teeter dangerous close to "You suck. Now give me your money for a product where I can insult you more". And it's just, so much fail. So much.

Date: 2010-05-04 03:18 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Actually I believe it's not that different from Quesada and the Spidey Brain Trust considering how they take their share of shots at those of us who are anti-One More Day/Brand New Day. Not to mention how they admitted to getting off on pissing off us fans and it's like..yeaa..purposely pissing off fans..that only works if you're a professional wrestler turned heel, because at least then fans still love and respect you. So be disrespectful on such a A lot of creators, and hell even entertainers of any sort, they forget that when all is said and make...or break you. If your work is crap, they will let you know. if they love it, they will let you know. A lot of them seem to forget this. I'm done with this rant..

Date: 2010-05-04 03:19 am (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
I shudder to think what manner of evil scheme is currently being hatched in the depths of 4chan.

Date: 2010-05-04 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zordboy
"Write-off", not "right-off". I'm tired, leave me alone. :)

Date: 2010-05-04 03:22 am (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax
Look if they just would stop complaining they wouldn't be turned into imaginary characters that get beat up by super heroes.

They knew the risks.

Date: 2010-05-04 03:22 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Now on the other look at this in a possitive light.. whoever this Harold guy is... dude, at least you got drawn into a comic, which I'm sure is a personal wish among any of us. Also..Veritas..isn't that the name of that Illuminati-like group in Smallville?

One more thing though..why does he look like Steve Urkel?

Date: 2010-05-04 03:24 am (UTC)
punishermax: (Default)
From: [personal profile] punishermax
Counterpoint: He was drawn in a Dan Didio book

Date: 2010-05-04 03:25 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d

Date: 2010-05-04 03:28 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I don't get it.... i mean i know who everyone is assuming it is... don't think there is anyone online who dosent know who Herald is.

but there was a Herald before the internet "troll,"

but ae we forgetting Mal Duncan? Mal Duncan was the first Herald.

also isnt this Herald gay? (meaning Harold Winer?)

Date: 2010-05-04 03:30 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i like dann Didio books..... am i the only one?

Date: 2010-05-04 03:34 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Hey, you bring up a good point, but the fact that you said "Yet".. can't help but wonder how long until we see them do the same thing.

And is that Ellen Paige with a pipe?

Date: 2010-05-04 03:34 am (UTC)
arbre_rieur: (Hey Kids! Comics!)
From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
I don't know... Considering DC already has this guy, complete with horn, this might have nothing to do with the Internet poster. The surname "Winer" does give me pause, though.

Was there anything in the new character's behavior that resembled the fan Herald?

Date: 2010-05-04 03:35 am (UTC)
arbre_rieur: (Hey Kids! Comics!)
From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
Not a book, but his time on the TV show Reboot has quite a number of fans, I believe.

Date: 2010-05-04 03:36 am (UTC)
sailorlibra: (pffft)
From: [personal profile] sailorlibra
There are definitely worse fates. I mean, getting drawn into a comic book as a sympathetic, if ineffectual villain? I'd be okay with that. You may call me the Pink Penguin and my motivation is turning crazy after being stranded in the North Pole.* I can be the minor nuisance in Black Canary's hair for about ten minutes on an off day.

*I know, okay?

Date: 2010-05-04 03:39 am (UTC)
northstarfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] northstarfan
also isnt this Herald gay? (meaning Harold Winer?)

Assuming that it actually is a deliberate swipe at an internet poster, I wouldn't be surprised if that was intended to be an extra layer of insult. The level of maturity needed to take that sort of potshot in the first place wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility.

Date: 2010-05-04 03:44 am (UTC)
thanekos: Lora, crafting. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
Harry Winer.


Date: 2010-05-04 03:54 am (UTC)
domino_blue: (Default)
From: [personal profile] domino_blue
Well I will give B and D credit on something they know how to flog a dead horse until you just don't care anymore. But moving on Dan in general is just not a very good writer....and this isn't even that great of a take that to anyone it just kind of point's how immature he is, and how bad a write he is, I mean okay superboy prime is a take that but good writers can make you know work this is just well...more fodder to complain about.

Date: 2010-05-04 03:57 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
I often say "Because Dan DiDio hates you, that's why." I'm not sure it's an Internet meme yet, but we can hope. I doubt I'll get a character named after me.

Although... there was that line in FINAL CRISIS where someone says "There is a god... and he hates us." Of course, they were talking about Darkseid, and I don't equate Dan DiDio with Darkseid... yet.

Date: 2010-05-04 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] aegof
..It's not too hard to do, what with all the villains being easily read as Things That Are Wrong With Superhero Comics Today.
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