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Cross-posted to No Scans_Daily.

First of all, apologies to [personal profile] nevermore999 for posting this from her LJ without asking first.

However, I really thought it was important enough to post.

Bill Willingham came in the panel, and ohmygod this really stupid guy bought up Steph, saying her death was poignant and he didn't think they should have bought her back because it was so important Batman kicked her to the curb and Leslie Thompkins (yes, he apparently liked THAT too) and Mom got all uncomfortable next to Willingham's credit, he shut the guy down, saying the death was never his plan and he actually argued for Steph to live. Sattler said he wasn't around for it, and that the fans are really into Steph, and that he thinks it's important they redeemed Leslie Thompkins. Then Willingham had to ruin everything and say, and I swear to God this is a direct quote "I wanted to gun down those girls who kept asking about the (Steph's) memorial case."

My jaw just dropped open. I knew from interviews and shit that Willingham was an asshole- and I'm sorry, he is, for mocking people at panels, and mocking men for daring to cry over a comic book death- but that is just a creepy as fuck thing to say. I raised my hand and I wanted to say "Willingham, you're an asshole" but instead I just told him a) I hated Stephanie's death and b) You shouldn't want to gun people down for being passionate about a character.

Backpedaling time! No, see, those silly girls were just distracting from important issues at panels by asking the same question over and over again, andandand they just don't understanf how the comics industry works and then, I swear to god, he word for word said the "being hated is almost as good" quote. He DID. He and Sattler telled me that when fans hate a story, it's almost as good as if they love it, because at least they care.

So let me just lift the Internet veil for a minute. I am/was a journalist and I used to be a crime/court reporter. In my four years working for three different Canadian newspapers, I reported on a lot of incidents of violence against women. One of those was a four-part series on the high rate of domestic violence in a small community, for which I was nominated for a National Newspaper Award. So trust me when I say I have seen what violence against women does and how important a topic like this is to me.
So yeah, this comment disturbs me on many levels. It is truly an indefensible comment and the fact that it was made in a public venue with little discourse is disturbing. Serious props to [personal profile] nevermore999 for standing up to Willingham and pointing out his incredibly horrific and misogynistic comment. Young impressionable boys buy these comics and that writers who write them actually think these things and then say them outloud in a public venue is shocking to say the very least.


Date: 2010-06-10 06:53 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Willingham's reaction to this stuff is old hat by now - maybe I'm immune by now. This stuff doesn't stop me from enjoying Fables (who are his own characters after all) but his regular DCU stuff just not do it for me. Kill Steph, make Leslie seemingly commit malpractice/manslaughter to teach "Bruce a lesson" and then when called out on it come up with stuff like this. I mean how hard is it to say the truth - "Yeah, we should have put a memorial up for Steph in the Cave. But nobody in Editorial really took her "Robin" time seriously enough. Our bad.". But no Editorial (whether it be DC or Marvel) really seem to have a tough time admitting any editorial mistakes. The only thing I've heard from Didio that he's done wrong as Editor/now Co-Publisher is he tried to kill Dick Grayson. And the only reason he admits to that is because it never happened. If they had killed off Dick, you can be sure guys like Sattler would be defending it to this day.

The really telling thing is that the "hen fans hate a story, it's almost as good as if they love it, because at least they care." line is now a meme (for everyone at DC now it seems). Sattler used it when people complained about Lian's death in "Cry for Justice" and for Ryan Choi's killing. The Superman team used it for complaints on how the War of the Supermen story ended (with its indiscriminate killing of Kryptonians each and every issue and then hitting the re-set button). Every single time anyone complains now it seems DC is patting itself on the back about how "it must be good if you're angry about it" which if they really believe that line means they don't understand their ever-dwindling readership at all.

Date: 2010-06-10 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] aegof
I don't think they know much about having an audience, never mind keeping it, if they honestly buy that line.

Date: 2010-06-10 08:52 pm (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Babs Gordon)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Didio also admitted to almost putting Babs back in the Batgirl suit, but again, didn't happen which is why he can admit it (and doesn't necessarily admit it would've been a mistake, just that they were as close as they were to killing Dick).

Date: 2010-06-10 10:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
THANK. YOU! Someone finally put into words what I been feeling. This whole dark shit. I like a good dark story, but as I said in a previous thread, the darkness and no resurrection is bullshit because they give the "political" answer of people at least caring even if they hate it, or the story still being good if it draws mostly heat. As I said before, if they can give a good reason for a dark story or killing off someone, then fine, but if all they can come up with is "Oh, I wanted people to feel something." or "Ooo bring on the hate!" then seriously, they need to go back to the drawing board.


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