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benicio127 ([personal profile] benicio127) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2010-06-10 02:20 pm

Bill Willingham and the girls of

Cross-posted to No Scans_Daily.

First of all, apologies to [personal profile] nevermore999 for posting this from her LJ without asking first.

However, I really thought it was important enough to post.

Bill Willingham came in the panel, and ohmygod this really stupid guy bought up Steph, saying her death was poignant and he didn't think they should have bought her back because it was so important Batman kicked her to the curb and Leslie Thompkins (yes, he apparently liked THAT too) and Mom got all uncomfortable next to Willingham's credit, he shut the guy down, saying the death was never his plan and he actually argued for Steph to live. Sattler said he wasn't around for it, and that the fans are really into Steph, and that he thinks it's important they redeemed Leslie Thompkins. Then Willingham had to ruin everything and say, and I swear to God this is a direct quote "I wanted to gun down those girls who kept asking about the (Steph's) memorial case."

My jaw just dropped open. I knew from interviews and shit that Willingham was an asshole- and I'm sorry, he is, for mocking people at panels, and mocking men for daring to cry over a comic book death- but that is just a creepy as fuck thing to say. I raised my hand and I wanted to say "Willingham, you're an asshole" but instead I just told him a) I hated Stephanie's death and b) You shouldn't want to gun people down for being passionate about a character.

Backpedaling time! No, see, those silly girls were just distracting from important issues at panels by asking the same question over and over again, andandand they just don't understanf how the comics industry works and then, I swear to god, he word for word said the "being hated is almost as good" quote. He DID. He and Sattler telled me that when fans hate a story, it's almost as good as if they love it, because at least they care.

So let me just lift the Internet veil for a minute. I am/was a journalist and I used to be a crime/court reporter. In my four years working for three different Canadian newspapers, I reported on a lot of incidents of violence against women. One of those was a four-part series on the high rate of domestic violence in a small community, for which I was nominated for a National Newspaper Award. So trust me when I say I have seen what violence against women does and how important a topic like this is to me.
So yeah, this comment disturbs me on many levels. It is truly an indefensible comment and the fact that it was made in a public venue with little discourse is disturbing. Serious props to [personal profile] nevermore999 for standing up to Willingham and pointing out his incredibly horrific and misogynistic comment. Young impressionable boys buy these comics and that writers who write them actually think these things and then say them outloud in a public venue is shocking to say the very least.

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Re: complaints

[personal profile] sistermagpie 2010-06-10 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to agree. I think he's expressing annoyance--however inappropriately as a professional doing a q&a in his professional capacity--at the people who annoyed him. Who from his pov were probably fans of a certain character who wanted something written for them. I took his "I wanted to gun them down" as probably pointing to him using gun imagery all the time (isn't he into that stuff?) and thinking more of a video game than a fantasy of causing any specific young woman in the audience pain.

Which I don't mean to be a defense of him casually sharing that kind of violent imagery in that context, but it doesn't seem much different than him wishing those girls who kept bugging him about the memorial case would DIAF. It also didn't strike me as particularly sexist or sexualized.
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Re: complaints

[personal profile] skalja 2010-06-11 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Well, obviously he didn't actually want to murder Mary Borsellino, [personal profile] nevermore999, or any of the other women who brought up the memorial issue at cons. Your defense (and yes, it is a defense, because you're minimizing his actions) of Willingham basically boils down to him being too socially incompetent and lacking in awareness of the power of words (despite being a writer) to modulate his public statement as an industry professional.

I have no doubt that people would still be upset if he'd expressed a (former) wish for fans to DIAF. While that wish may not be sexist on the surface, he did express a fantasy of violence towards members of a group frequently victim to hate crimes. Then when called out on it, he responded by getting defensive and infantilizing the women in question, by calling them "girls" and talking about how ignorant and distracting they are.
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Re: complaints

[personal profile] sistermagpie 2010-06-11 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
I have no doubt that people would still be upset if he'd expressed a (former) wish for fans to DIAF.

I agree--I didn't mean to imply that they would. I was just disagreeing with the thread elsewhere arguing that DIAF was a different type comment because the death would be caused by a fire rather than the person speaking.
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Re: complaints

[personal profile] kingrockwell 2010-06-11 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
While the comment is definitely the same, the context that brought it up in the first place is another matter entirely.
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Re: complaints

[personal profile] sistermagpie 2010-06-11 02:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I'm not disagreeing that the context isn't different, just the type of expression.