Date: 2010-07-31 08:56 pm (UTC)
cypherfdp: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cypherfdp
Maybe it's the lack of context, but I'm really confused right now.

Was Bruce on Fear Gas or something?

Date: 2010-07-31 09:43 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
It does seem a lot of "Old School" stories has Bruce saying "The Justice League just isn't for me." They even turned it around in "The Batman" animated series, with Batman interested in starting a Justice League and Superman not that interested.

Date: 2010-07-31 11:38 pm (UTC)
tsunamiwombat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tsunamiwombat
Makes sense really, Batman would want a foil, something to distract people from him. Arm a group of Superhero's, no one pays attention to the Batman.

Date: 2010-08-01 01:07 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
It does make sense.

"Ha ha! The mighty Justice League is at my mercy! Wait, isn't there one more member I missed? And what's this ominous, bat-shaped shadow looming over me?"

Date: 2010-08-01 03:57 am (UTC)
schala_kid: Stephanie Brown as Batgirl (supergirl)
From: [personal profile] schala_kid
Yeah Bruce mentions to Clark about how the JLA is going to have their first meeting and that J'onn had invited Superman but that he had declined his offer, to which Clark responds "I prefer to work alone" and then after Batman gives him a tour of the JLA Satellite you can see Superman is still reluctant about the whole thing.

And that's one of the things I loved about The Batman, it actually managed to flip Superman and Batman's whole dynamic and it worked. I mean Batman of all people goes about the importance of team dynamics and even calls Superman "Not very trusting". Also if you read The Batman Strikes! comic it has Clark pissed off because Bruce came to his city unannounced.

Date: 2010-08-01 11:19 am (UTC)
yaseen101: (Default)
From: [personal profile] yaseen101
Though the idea of an 'untrusting' Superman is still kind of weird, it makes sense that Bruce would be the most interested in starting a group, since he is a mere mortal.

Also, 'The Batman' incarnation of Bruce is probably one of the few incarnations where Batman did not morph into a Bat God/Dick which is quite an acheivement since even the DCAU Bats would become unbearable whenever he does that.

Though, I'm not a fan of him being in the JL, he fits into a much more 'street/spy' book rather than a 'saving the world before bed time' team.

Date: 2010-07-31 09:49 pm (UTC)
ext_79087: robin-thighs (robin thighs)
From: [identity profile]
Batman crying through his mask made me lol.

Date: 2010-07-31 10:17 pm (UTC)
nezchan: This IS his happy face (happy Batman)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
He trained for many years to be the best at crying through masks.

Just in case he needed to.

Date: 2010-07-31 10:50 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yeah, I'd definitely have had the tears run down the INside of his mask...

Date: 2010-07-31 09:59 pm (UTC)
rordulum: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rordulum
I think Clark is the very definition of "a hugger". Especially compared to Bruce.

Oh, those crazy kids.

The thing with the JLA is, it wouldn't appeal to Bruce. At least, not the last 20 or so years-worth of continuity Bruce. Then again, having a whole Bat 'family' wouldn't appeal to him, either.

Robin, ok. But Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, Oracle, Spoiler, Huntress, Man-Bat, Azrael? That's a big old crew for a lone avenger of evil like Batman. Still, I wouldn't change it.

Date: 2010-07-31 10:50 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I've said it before, consider how many heroes the "anti-social" Batman has trained up and/or mentored, compared to "sociable" Superman, who doesn't even have much of a relationship with his own namesake Kon.

Date: 2010-08-01 12:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rordulum
It's an odd dichotomy, really. I guess they wanted Batman to be all cool and dark again, without really having the convictions to follow it through.

Though I suppose there is the argument that his drive to fight crime is what causes him to effectively create his own army of vigilantes.

But, with the JLA, I still think he's a bit out of place. I mean, he doesn't even like metas entering Gotham (which is a stance I love, by the way) and he doesn't really trust the ones he works with.

From a logical, story point of view, he'd only ever reluctantly work with them, in even the most dire circumstances. And give Batman a choice between saving Gotham and saving the world, and he'd pick his home town every time (and I know that not saving the world would destroy Gotham anyway, just go with it).

Any problems with Superman can always just be explained away by, "he's an alien". No one seems to ask any questions after that.

Date: 2010-08-01 01:17 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Batman has an odd "I'm really more directing them than mentoring them" about his Big Old Crew. Dick and Jason were the only ones he mentored. Tim seemed to learn everything on his own, and even went to teachers like Henri Ducard than learning from Bruce himself.

Batgirl (Cass), Huntress, Spoiler and Azrael is more of a "keep an eye on them."

And out of all of them, Huntress *still* doesn't know Bruce Wayne is Batman (I think).

Date: 2010-08-01 02:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Huntress knows now (since his "death") - she was one of those who were keeping track of HushBruce in Daniel's recent Batman run. I don't remember if we ever got an actual scene of her finding out - which would have been cool, if I remember right the first time she ever saw Bruce Wayne in person - she was in Huntress costume at the time tracking down Mob types- she dismissed him as a lightweight playboy.

Bruce on the other hand deliberately never told her and never fully trusted her so I wonder if we will see any reaction on his part to the fact she now KNOWS who he is.

Date: 2010-08-01 04:30 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Bruce on the other hand deliberately never told her and never fully trusted her so I wonder if we will see any reaction on his part to the fact she now KNOWS who he is.

Oh, and Bruce probably checked with Oracle and Black Canary weekly to make sure Huntress still didn't know.

How Huntress treats Bruce now, and how Bruce will treat Huntress, might be covered in one of those one-shots out in October... I hope.

Date: 2010-08-01 04:23 am (UTC)
schala_kid: My other OTP (TimKon)
From: [personal profile] schala_kid
It says something when Supergirl has problems and she goes to Batman instead of Superman (although that could be because of the whole weirdness of her little cousin being suddenly older than her and the fact that she sees Bruce more of a authority/father figure than Clark).

To be fair on Clark and Kon, after Superman came back from the death Kon actively distanced himself from him and didn't want to have a lot to do with him and asked him to give him his space, which in a way kind of didn't help much on their relationship. But really I guess it's because writers don't really portray their relationship that much, when Kon died Clark didn't even reacted that much but you got a small drawn panel of him cradling Kon's head on his lap but it was so small that if you didn't put attention you would miss it. But after that it felt kind of like Clark forgot about Kon and really I don't know if the writers ignored the whole thing or if it was because of the whole Siegel/Superboy fiasco and they were avoiding mentioning Kon as much as possible?

I guess the only time I really see how much Clark cares about Kon was in Superman: Blackest Night when Black Lantern Kal-L was trying to rip Kon's heart and you see an Clark going at him at full force while displaying fear, will, rage and love. Then when Kal-L throws Conner and calls him trash and Clark goes after a falling Conner he starts displaying fear and love. But you know it's kind of sucks that this comic is one of the most emotional moments these two have gotten together (although having not read much of the old Superboy stuff I can't be 100% accurate on this) I can point you many different comics or panels where Bruce has hugged his kids and even ones of Clark hugging Kara or Chris but I don't think I've ever seen Clark hugging Kon.

Date: 2010-08-01 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] twigcollins
I think Clark is the very definition of "a hugger". Especially compared to Bruce.

Reminds me of that great episode of the animated series where Bruce gets kidnapped and Robin convinces Superman to put on the outfit for a while.

"Punch the wall!"
"Just do it!"

Date: 2010-08-01 02:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fifth11

Date: 2010-08-01 04:35 am (UTC)
sallymustard: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sallymustard
OMG Bat-tears.

Date: 2010-08-02 05:53 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
everybody always says Bruce was on teh "Reserves" but he was always one of the big 3-7 and always at the front of the decision making. that never seemed "reserve" to me


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