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No longer truly wary strangers meeting for the first time, certain tropes were paid lip service to. The fight-before-they-team-up-against-the-REAL-bad-guys, Spider-man being bratty, Daredevil being dickish, and Daredevil being treated like an unofficial city official while Spider-man scuttled away.

Not terribly different from every other team-up at the time, but you can see the beginnings of their kindred spirit relationship.

This period was one of huge popularity for Spider-man. The monumental Green Goblin-killing-Gwen-Stacy story is out, Marvel Team-up has begun, Rolling Stone has featured Spider-man.

Peter seems more grown-up, less snotty. He still has knee-jerk temper but acts more lighthearted in his general banter.

Many scans below.

Starting off, Daredevil and the Black Widow are together, and there are a couple references to Rolling Stone magazine while they're in San Francisco.

The leadup from Marvel Teamup 12. (Writers: Gerry Conway, Len Wein. Artists: Ross Andru, Don Perlin.)

Daredevil and Black Widow 103 (9 pages from a 28 page book) (Writer: Steve Gerber. Artists: Steve Heck, Sal Trapani.)

This issue is titled "Then Came Ramrod!" after the villain. Named Ramrod. Sometimes you wonder what Marvel writers were smoking when they thought up titles. And villain names.

If only you had some sort of tool-using power, Matt, involving digital appendages. If only!

Try not to think about what happened to Ivan.

The "your guest" slip was part of Matt and Natasha's act to try and spare Ivan's feelings by pretending they weren't together. At this time, his objection was portrayed as the protectiveness of a parent.

No explanation why Matt didn't immediately recognize Spider-man. Too relaxed and blinded by love, maybe?

I love easy teamups. Rather than a fight, they just accept that Spider-man is on their side and work with it.

I love this issue. They're all so happy when they're together. Peter seems so relieved to have the world off his shoulders. Matt and Natasha come across as the perfect superhero couple. In retrospect, splitting them up seems like splitting up Reed and Susan so that she could go become Invisible Woman, Superspy!

Marvel Teamup 25 (guesstimating 4 and 1/4 pages worth from an 18 page story) (Writer: Len Wein. Artists: Jim Mooney, Frank Giacoia.)

The review is here.

Worth noting that Peter tries to talk first, whereas he used to just react to such an attack.

Daredevil explains that Catman was picking up a ransom for a kidnapped woman, and that he needs to escape to lead to his compatriots and the victim.

Upon arrival, the villains split up, so so do the heroes.

Spider-man handles Bird-man.

Daredevil takes care of Cat-man.

I just thought their meetup was cute.

They alternately dazzle and taunt Ape-man (Matt offers the ransom as a deal, while Peter turns on the roller coaster cars), then split their duties to beat the bad guy and rescue the girl. Basically a perfect teamup.

Couple years pass. Only a few cameos appear.

Daredevil 132, Bullseye story. (Writer: Marv Wolfman. Artists: Bob Brown, Klaus Janson.)

Daredevil 135. (Writer: Marv Wolfman. Artists: Jim Mooney, Bob Brown.)

In cahoots with DA Tower, Daredevil has himself arrested to trick the Jester. Somebody remembers that DD has met regular Peter Parker.

Marvel Teamup 56. (Writer: Bill Mantlo. Artist: Sal Buscema, John Romita Jr, Dave Hunt.)

Ms. Marvel's title was started this year. Bill Mantlo breaks a few rules here. The heroes don't really fight, they don't need to discuss the situation to get along, the villains seem practically chummy.

Blizzard and Electro are starting a protection racket against newspapers. Daredevil deduces the Daily Bugle is being threatened by noticing clues Jameson put in the morning paper that Blizzard tried to hijack. Peter Parker gets involved because Jonah owes him money and told him not to come by that day.

Daredevil bursts in while Peter is already in hiding.

But if the heroes aren't going to fight and neither are the villains, WHO shall provide the obligatory fight-then-teamup?

Yes, that Bushkin, publisher of the Bugle's rival, the Daily Globe. He and JJ have an abortive teamup that fails because they accidentally start hitting each other rather than the villains before retreating in disgrace.

Also note that Jameson's cheapness has reached the extent of becoming a superpower because it has tricked the villains into trapping themselves in the basement!

Marvel Teamup 73. (Writer: Gary Friedrich. Artists: Don Perlin, Kerry Gammill.)

Reprinted in Spider-man and Daredevil's Greatest Teamups. The villain is clunky, but this is a classic.

Back in the day, Nelson and Murdock's Storefront did charity legal work. That's why a bum like Parker would ever be talking to a high-class lawyer like Matt.

Matt also recently turned down Spider-man when he offered to unmask (and thereby, restore all the memories that are currently blocked by Mephisto). Matt preferring to not know other people's secrets is pretty true to his character. Considering that he spends his life overhearing what people haven't voluntarily shared..

We are treated to a reprise of the old Spider-man-does-not-want-help-with-goons scenario. But this time DD doesn't accept the line.

Another classic. In a swinger race, Spidey always wins.

The Owl turns on the boobytrap just too late for Spider-man spidersense to save him.



I posted those scans because they remind me of the classic scene where DD is calling for Spider-man's help, written by He Who Must Not Be Scanned.

After all the trouble of the hunt, the traps, the armies of goons, the Owl's nerve breaks when Daredevil refuses to sacrifice his life for a villain. He collapses and we are treated to a mouthful of wrapup exposition in the final panel.

Got to wonder, did Matt finish the paperwork and find out Peter's name that way? Or did he pawn it off to another lawyer to protect Spider-man's identity--and convince Peter that Matt was a jerk?

Part 1
Part 2

Suggested tags: publisher: marvel, char: daredevil/matt murdock, char: spider-man/peter parker, char: electro/matt dillon, char: black widow/natasha romanoff

Date: 2010-11-24 01:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile]
I remember Spider-man and Daredevil used to be really close(Spider-man was the first superhero to know Matt's secret identity) when he was Pre Miller and then Post Miller he became so grim dark that even Spidey was commenting on how he got so grim and suicidal.

Then of course he got over that grim dark era(Joe Kelly) and they started hanging out like buddies again

Date: 2010-11-24 02:10 pm (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: over the wall)
From: [personal profile] skalja
Yeah, Spidey and Daredevil's BFFness has waxed and waned depending on how gritty Matt's stories are. Between Matt's current ubergritty (with ninjas!) phase and the Mephisto Effect, they're not very close at all right now. Which sucks, especially in a story like Shadowland, where you'd expect Peter to express hurt and betrayal that the one hero he's always been able to count on has let him down so badly, and determination to get him back. Instead, even in his oneshot with Shang Chi he's acting like Matt is already gone.

Date: 2010-11-25 02:25 pm (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: under pressure)
From: [personal profile] skalja
Well, I think Peter WOULD be relieved at first that Dark Matt doesn't know his secret identity, but I don't think that would stop him from revealing himself to try and get him to come to his senses. (Although I could do without another "oh right, Matt's blind, nyuk-nyuk" awkward moment.)

Even if the Shadowland writers didn't want to go for that for logistical reasons (bad guys would find out, etc), there's no excuse for Peter's complete blase-ness over the issue. He should be freaking out, trying to talk Matt around on one side and defending him from the heroes who want to kill him on the other. Matt is one of his oldest friends!

The best and worst thing about comics canon is that it's cyclical. Eventually DD'll come back and there will be a writer who remembers that they're BFFs - it's a question of when, not if.

Date: 2010-11-24 02:12 pm (UTC)
skalja: Ultimate Spider-Woman posing like a BAMF (spider-man: 80s Peter)
From: [personal profile] skalja
Just wanted to tell you how much I'm loving this series! I've never read classic Daredevil and very little classic MTU, so a lot of these scenes are new to me.

I share your disappointment re: the missed opportunity for mouth-to-mouth.

Date: 2010-11-24 02:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sianmink
Hit him in the FACE! That's his vulnerable spot!


Date: 2010-11-24 05:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
Natasha is depressingly weak in that story.

On the other hand I enjoy the way Peter falls to self-pity, then… shake it off.


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