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Garth Ennis doesn't like superheroes. Among others, his reason being that he can't stomach the rigid 'Thou shall not kill' rule that most superheroes live by (often reinforced by editorial mandates) when in real life there are practical situations that necessitate, if not justify the need for deadly force, whether by cops, soldiers or even civilians.

So this was basically the key issue in his JLA/Hitman 2-issue series, where he made Kyle Rayner the 'straight man' of the story, voicing the layman's opinion regarding certain superhero policies.

Don't tell me you've never considered those points yourself. Interesting how superheroes generally just answer to the tune of "That's how it is. Accept it." when faced with such questions.

On a lighter vein, since I have several pages to go, a few humorous scans from the series.

-Tommy's would-be assassins arguing over who gives the orders.

-Tommy's pal Natt introducing his new girlfriend.

-Learning what became of all the forgotten spin-off characters from DC's old Bloodlines crossover.

-And the US President's dialogue during the whole fiasco.


Date: 2011-01-15 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com
Who investigated Max Lord's death to see if WW used excessive force? Who would?

The example you gave of a civilian shooting a terrorist only works if the terrorist is shooting people at that moment. If a civilian shot someone and said that person was going to kill people in the future or that person had killed people in the past, he would still be tried.

Date: 2011-01-15 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com
I agree, it's very possible that it would apply there. (Looking at it in a meta sense, the only reason she didn't have alternatives is because the writer didn't want her to have alternatives. If a future writer wants it to have been unjustifiable, there will have been alternatives.)

But my point in bringing it up was to ask who she was accountable to. If it weren't justifiable, how would we, or rather, the DCU equivalents of us, know? If Max Lord had had a family who wondered about it, who would they ask?

Date: 2011-01-15 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com
Knowing of Max's crimes and knowing that killing him was justified because there was no alternative at that moment are two different things, so you're back to "it was justified because Wonder Woman says it was justified."

My point isn't that Wonder Woman wasn't justified in this one case-though, as I said, a later writer could easily make that true- but that unlike the military and police, the Justice League isn't accountable to anyone if they do start killing.

Date: 2011-01-15 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com
I agreed that she might be justified if this one situation were investigated. My point is that there isn't any body that does investigate. Even if there's an answer to the question, the question isn't being asked.

Saying someone is accountable to the laws of the US and the UN doesn't mean much if no one is going to investigate whether or not those laws were broken.

"If a JLA member broke the laws, the others would rein him/her in." Which is what I'm saying. They're only accountable to themselves. That makes them still susceptible to saying "Well, WW (or whoever) is one of us, and if she says it was necessary, then it was." Even if the JSA and Titans opposed them, they're still not an authority that the JLA is answerable to.


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