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icon_uk ([personal profile] icon_uk) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2011-01-22 08:59 pm

The original "Batman and Son" and an early Elseworld.. or perhaps a "What if...?"

A few weeks ago, "Batman: The Brave and the Bold" featured the story "The Knights of Tomorrow", which details an imaginary story written by Alfred which postulates what happens when Dick takes over as Batman, and Bruce and Selina Kyle-Wayne's son Damian becomes the new Robin...

It is in fact an amalgam of the current Batman story, and one from a loooooong time before, April 1960 to be precise, Batman 131, which is the first of two stories I know which feature the concept. I'll post the second one soon, and if there are others I'll try and find them.

The story is also notable for yet another "Context is for the weak" panels reflective of a more innocent time and before the meaning-shift of a few words...

The cover does much of the exposition for us... The big II's on their costumes are a rather blatant touch, a shame perhaps that Dick wasn't able to work something like that into his Batman costume in Morrison's arc.

We start with a memoir

Bruce Jr? A mite egotistical there Bruce, though at least it wasn't another Thomas I suppose.

Kathy is dead set against it as a plan, but when Bruce and Dick promise to train him thoroughly before allowing him out, she relents, a little...

I like Dick realising "Oh GOD! I've got a kid to look after, and it's Bruce's KID! If anything happens to him Bruce will KILL me, and that's if Kathy doesn't get to me first!!"

Gee, Bruce Sr is looking like a REAL geezer here, given he shouldn't be much more than about 40.

Alas for Junior, he lassos a movie propr to swing on, not realising that it's only papier mache and won't bear his weaight. The whole thing collapses allowing the criminals to escape. It was an honest, rookie mistake, but Dick's reassurances don't make him feel much better.

So, Dick grew up to be a reporter, Clark would be so smug proud!

Later, Bruce Jr shows up to a lunch meeting with Dick, but he's not around and has left a clue for him, which tells our new young Robin where he's gone. Dick has crossed out some of the letters on a coin - "One Cent - United States of America"

So, with "On (s)cent - Ted Tate Mica" he races back to the Batcave and heads out to Gotham's mica quarry.

That's okay Kathy, I imagine Bruce is in a corset which would make Shatner envious.

Bruce Junior finds the hideout and gets past the guards where he finds Dick in a position one might have thought he would outgrow as Batman, but lets be honest, you can take the Boy out of the Hostage, but you can't take the Hostage out of the Boy... or Man.

And so it was... at least in Alfred's story, which we then find out isn't a memoir, but a piece of speculative fiction that Alfred has been writing to wile away his free time. Sure, the only ones who can be allowed to read it are Bruce and Dick, but Alfred feels that he may write another one someday....

And so he did.... Coming soon; "Batman II meets - The Son of the Joker"
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[personal profile] joasakura 2011-01-22 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
The roman numerals on their costumes are just SO ridiculous XD

[personal profile] thelazyreader 2011-01-22 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved it. Is this collected in a trade?
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[personal profile] star_of_airdrie 2011-01-23 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
There is a TPB DC's Greatest Imaginary Stories Featuring Batman and Robin Volume 2 published 5/2010 that lists that it includes stories from Batman 131.

[identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com 2011-01-24 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
I have both of those and each time I've read the story I've wanted to scream;


Thank you for letting me get that out of my system.
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[personal profile] crinos 2011-01-22 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it really necessary to put a big roman numeral II on the costume.

Also, Alfred is kind of a weird guy. I mean I brought this up in the Batman B&B episode this helped to inspire, but who the hell writes stories about the potential future of people they know in real life. (I mean besides Daria Morgandorfer)
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[personal profile] auggie18 2011-01-23 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Daria was forced into it, though.

The big numbers are pretty freaking stupid. I mean, jeez, how dumb did they think kids were?
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[personal profile] crinos 2011-01-23 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but it wasn't the question posed to Daria; her only instruction was "write a story that somehow incorporates a card game."

And Alfred doesn't even have the excuse that this was prompted of him; He does this as a HOBBY.

[personal profile] psychopathicus_rex 2011-01-23 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
Personally, I see it as sort of an acknowledgment of the legacy aspect of the situation. In other words, he can't be just plain Batman, because there was ever only ONE true Batman - if he's wearing the costume, he's got to show that he's only carrying the torch.

[personal profile] psychopathicus_rex 2011-01-23 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, yeah, of course - I don't mean he's doing it for informational purposes, I meant he's doing it as a gesture of respect for his mentor; i.e, 'I can wear your costume, but I can never fill your shoes, so I'm going to put this numeral 2 on my chest to remind people of the legacy which I represent. They may learn to respect me as Batman 2, but by doing so, they will always acknowledge that there was first a Batman 1 - and that was you.'
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[personal profile] aaron_bourque 2011-01-22 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Where did the red hair come in?
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[personal profile] auggie18 2011-01-23 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
...Jimmy Olsen was their milkman/pool boy. That is my theory and I'm sticking to it.
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[personal profile] superfangirl1 2011-01-24 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
I like your theory and want to subscribe to it! :D
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[identity profile] werehawk.livejournal.com 2011-01-23 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Dick "Sure...I made plenty of boners when I was Robin didn't I, Bruce?"

Did boner not have its other slang meaning in the 60s? No wonder people got on comics case. And Bruce Jr totally dissed his mom at the end "Three Musketeers" - his mom was kicking ass right over his shoulder.
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[personal profile] blackruzsa 2011-01-23 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
.... boners. OH GOD.
Also, since when could a black haired guy and black haired woman get a redheaded son? And don't tell me about genes along the family line, I distinctly remember learning that of all the hair color types, black or dark brown is always dominant.

I honestly honestly prefer Damien.
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[personal profile] blackruzsa 2011-01-23 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
Did your father have black hair?
And hm.... I might have gotten that mixed up with eyes... either way, I'm pretty sure it was still dominant.
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[personal profile] arysteia 2011-01-23 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Doesn't matter if it's hair or eyes, you're not remembering your punnet squares correctly. Dominant just means it will overrule a recessive gene, but two recessives can still combine. BB and Bb will always give you BB. But Bb and Bb have a one in four chance of giving you bb. (Their hypothetical kids: BB, Bb, Bb, and bb). In that case the first three all have the dominant colour, but two of them will have the recessive gene to pass on.

[personal profile] arilou_skiff 2011-01-23 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
Black/dark hair is indeed dominant, so in order to get a red-headed child, both Bruce and Kathy has to have some red-haired ancestor somewhere.

That, or a mutation, which does happen occasionally with eye-color. Not so sure about hair though.
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[identity profile] werehawk.livejournal.com 2011-01-23 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
And, as a biologist, I can say that hair color is a very polygenic trait, meaning that there are many genes, at least a dozen, that affect hair color so really, anything can happen.
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2011-01-23 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
Black is dominant, hence Bruce and Kathy could each be carrying a gene for black hair and a gene for red hair - they'd both have black hair and have a 25% chance of a red-haired kid. Even with the Jimmy Olsen theory (and Bruce Jr does sort of look like him) Kathy would have to have a red hair gene.
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[personal profile] darkblade 2011-01-23 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
Since black hair is always dominate it is possible that both Bruce and Selina also carry the genes for red hair which is dormant in them because they also have the dominant black haired genes.

When their genes combined to make Bruce Jr, he just so happened to recieve the red haired genes and not the black haired ones from both parents.

[personal profile] psychopathicus_rex 2011-01-23 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
This is pure speculation, but possibly Kathy has very DARK red hair that reads as black when transferred to a comic page. Or perhaps she dyes it...?
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[personal profile] blackruzsa 2011-01-23 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
Perhaps. The other explanations might have made sense but all that I've seen of the Wayne family shows absolutely no red hair so he couldn't have inherited twice recessive if Bruce doesn't carry it.

[personal profile] psychopathicus_rex 2011-01-23 06:26 am (UTC)(link)
Well... genetics are weird.
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[personal profile] bluefall 2011-01-23 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
Poor Helena Wayne, can't catch a break even in an alternate continuity.

Interesting, though, that Kathy mentions herself screwing up as Batwoman and Bruce having to help her out as a parallel to young!Robin's situation. That basically frames then-present-day Batwoman as "on her way to being awesome and integral to the crimefighting team" rather than "nuisance in over her head who ought to go away."

[personal profile] psychopathicus_rex 2011-01-23 06:12 am (UTC)(link)
That does improve matters somewhat, yes.

[personal profile] arilou_skiff 2011-01-23 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
So alfred ships Kayne eh?
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[personal profile] cypherfdp 2011-01-23 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
"Sure--And I made plenty of boners when I was Robin... Right, Bruce?"
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[personal profile] jlroberson 2011-01-23 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
"Sure did, old chum. And no hiding them in THAT outfit. Say, son, could you write something on the blackboard?"
"Sure dad, I'll-aw nuts."
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[personal profile] darkblade 2011-01-23 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
So Bruce + Selina = Archie Andrews?
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[personal profile] jelly_ace 2011-01-23 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Can't get over the big yellow "II". Looks like it was painted on as an afterthought.
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[personal profile] jlroberson 2011-01-23 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
"No, Alfred, no matter how old and frail you get, YOU MAY NEVER RETIRE, OLD MAN.

"Not while I still have the pictures of you and Mother. Pearl necklace indeed. Now fetch my bat-slippers."

"Yes--KAFF KAFF!--master Bruce."
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[personal profile] citygod 2011-01-24 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Alfred wrote fanfic? Wow. And sorry to see that he broke his arm when he said "Give him a jolly good poke."
Wait - he said what? That, and the boner comments... are we sure this is subtext?
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[personal profile] junipepper 2011-01-24 05:16 am (UTC)(link)
His name is Bruce Jr., isn't it?