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You know what? Fuck everything. Everything.

I'm sorry. I don't even have a rant for this. I don't even...

Jesus fucking Christ.
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Date: 2011-02-09 10:30 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Wait, so just seeing Superman is what makes NuDiana decide to be a "hero". Was the writer reading Batwoman: Elegy when he was writing this?

Did no one at DC Editorial see the problem with this dialogue?

Date: 2011-02-09 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
calm down, it won't count in a few months.

Date: 2011-02-09 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
It kind-of makes sense, on a meta level. Like it or not, Superman is the father of superheroes, the first of it's kind, and Wonder Woman was created so that there would be a Superman-like figure for young girls.

Could have been better said, but hey, that's been true for a lot of this storyline.

Date: 2011-02-09 10:44 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
well, that's certainly a way to interweave the titles you're plotting for a time.

Date: 2011-02-09 10:55 pm (UTC)
ian_karkull: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ian_karkull
This makes perfect sense actually, since this clearly isn't Wonder Woman, but some alternate fever dream JMS cooked up to stroke his massive ego.
Either way, I'm with jlbarnett in sentiment, if not in phrasing. Everybody's already working overtime to retcon the hell out of this mess, so in a few months, this'll all be gone the way of the Dodo.

Date: 2011-02-09 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cuntfucius
This actually IS a big deal, folks, when it's a continuing trend well into 2011 and Diana is getting the crap end of it. We have her killing her sisters in Blackest Night but being able to fight off BL effects because of a man's love. Now we have her showing that her sisters might have taught her to fight and do this and that, but she didn't have a NOBLE DIRECTION for it until she became inspired by Superman and w/e.

Like seriously the continuous juxtaposition of what her sisters /fellow girls do for her and how the men in her life just overshadow it so easily where she can be SHOWN THE LIGHT is just very very problematic.

Sure, she's young. Inexperienced as a hero. But as a warrior, like...her people were hunted and slaughtered. Kind of an Amazon cultural wipeout. Why reduce and delegitimize her anger over it as some petty act of revenge and now she is shown the true American way by the √úbermenschian perfect paragon of justice and virtue and masculinity and just

anyway yeah. I MAD. Not surprised but I mad. Even if people are saying it's just an alternative timeline, can you think of any elseworlds or alternate timelines where men are inspired by women and shown what true heroism is by them?

Date: 2011-02-09 11:01 pm (UTC)
julian: Picture of Julian Street. (Default)
From: [personal profile] julian
See, it's sort of annoying, because Legacy and the stuff around that era had Diana be impressed and inspired by Superman, too.

The difference there was that she was already a Heroic Person, with her own focus, before those interactions.

This is just... such a /demotion/.

Date: 2011-02-09 11:05 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask

Kinda speechless.

Date: 2011-02-09 11:08 pm (UTC)
jarodrussell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jarodrussell
Back when Oracle did shit like this and it drove me to curses, I found it cathartic to write a short snippet of fanfic where the character acted like I thought she should. Try that. 300 hundred words of YOUR Diana.

Date: 2011-02-09 11:11 pm (UTC)
lencannon: shy guy (Default)
From: [personal profile] lencannon
I think, perhaps, we can all agree that having JMS bizarre, borderline insulting Superman/Wonder Woman runs right after two slightly flawed but mostly great runs makes this sting extra hard.

Date: 2011-02-09 11:16 pm (UTC)
jeyl: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jeyl
You know, I've been continuing to purchase this series even if some of it was bad, because I honestly couldn't imagine how it could get any worse. I figured maybe the writers would listen, understand and start going in a direction that we've all been waiting and hoping for.

but no....god, no. This is worse than I could have ever dreamed of.

This is freaking bullcrap right here. The lowest of low. Not only has Wonder Woman not been able to fight her own battles, but she needs Superman in order to find inspiration to become a hero? It's like she can't do anything on her own. Both physically or mentally. She'a a bona fide moron.

Why am I calling Wonder Woman this? I never wanted to call Wonder Woman this. Everything is so wrong and the writers think they're so right.

We're so screwed.

Date: 2011-02-09 11:19 pm (UTC)
lakrids404: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lakrids404
but there are nice big breasts?!

Date: 2011-02-09 11:29 pm (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
So is this a retcon origin or something?

Date: 2011-02-09 11:30 pm (UTC)
protogarrett: (Default)
From: [personal profile] protogarrett
I don't really follow DC too much. Did they revamp the universe again? Why is WW so... green?

Date: 2011-02-09 11:45 pm (UTC)
stolisomancer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
Not a good week for anyone, is it?

Date: 2011-02-09 11:50 pm (UTC)
arbre_rieur: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
Can't say I have a problem with this. After all, they haven't been shy about how this Wonder Woman is a very different person from the "real" one, with very different formative experiences and underpinnings.

Date: 2011-02-09 11:54 pm (UTC)
ametti: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ametti
Bah ha ha this is a whole lot of fail. Sadly, this isn't the only title suffering from it...

Date: 2011-02-09 11:55 pm (UTC)
radioactivepiss: Cassandra Cain in bandages glaring ([Batgirl] get it)
From: [personal profile] radioactivepiss
Ugh. I confess up front I haven't read this or previous stuff along this line but... one thing I always liked about Wonder Woman was the ability for her to stand on her own as a character and series in most ways. She wasn't as overtly derivative as a lot of 'counterpart' female characters, like- IDK, Supergirl. And she didn't start off as someone else's supporting cast. So this is... bleh. Bleh bleh bleh, do not want. It takes away a major part of what makes her character great for me.

(Though: taking away the jacket, and give her some boots, and I admit I'm starting to like this costume. Just not so much the way she looks so damn young here.)

Date: 2011-02-10 12:12 am (UTC)
kingrockwell: he's a sexy (Misty Knight)
From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
what is this i cannot even

Date: 2011-02-10 12:21 am (UTC)
mynondw: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mynondw
Whaaaaa.... ? Okay, you're not the only one raging here. Is JMS writing this? Who is to blame for this script?

I hate so many things about this. SO MANY THINGS.

Date: 2011-02-10 12:34 am (UTC)
magus_69: (pic#370603)
From: [personal profile] magus_69
This is bullshit. Utter fucking bullshit. Maybe JMS would have handled this better, maybe, but this is just-- GAH!

There were plenty of other choices if the writers wanted to go this route. It could have been Black Canary. It could have been Power Girl. It could have been the Birds of Prey. No, it had to be FUCKING Superman.

Well, at least it wasn't the Goddamn Batman. We can console ourselves with that.

Date: 2011-02-10 12:34 am (UTC)
sweettart1823: (fierce)
From: [personal profile] sweettart1823
l: ): D: D<

no words...

Date: 2011-02-10 12:39 am (UTC)
mullon: (Luke Cage)
From: [personal profile] mullon
Wait, her jacket is gone? Her jacket is gone! She has those stupid things on her shoulders, but still, halfway there!

Date: 2011-02-10 12:39 am (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Ugh, why don't they have a special Superman/Batman in which the story is told from Diana's perspective on the two, considering that togther, they are the trinity.

Date: 2011-02-10 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
This issue was awesome. Everyone here should read the book before judging. Yes, Superman is a dude, but he's also the embodiment of superheroism in the DCU. For him to inspire this temporarily retconned (and until Hester came on board, TERRIBLE) version of Wonder Woman is not horribly offensive, and will be undone when her current storyline is concluded. In fact, she's never even been called Wonder Woman right now.

Supes and Diana are friends, AND the actual creation of the character WAS a response to Superman. I'd probably agree with y'all if this was the real Wonder Woman, but this version of WW who's not been acting like a hero at all (until Hester's first issue, at least), needed a bit of inspiration to get out of her insulated worldview.

Besides, in this issue, Roberson properly introduced a new Superwoman and Supergirl, a new Black Superman and a new young Superboy, as well as a ton of diversity in the future Superman dynasty. This issue is a win, and you'd know that if you read it.
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