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Absolute power corrupts even babies absolutely.

Aquapeople: just horrible.

Love the funeral wreath in the title. Classy.

Fire trolls. Avatars of comics fans? Hmm.

Oh, and then there's this Aquaman redesign by Katie Cook

This was part of a Project Rooftop series

Date: 2011-03-16 06:46 pm (UTC)
mad: I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN! (Default)
From: [personal profile] mad

I think Aquaman should always be written from the perspective that first and foremost, he is a jerk. Secondly, he is a friend to and cares about marine life. The rest will follow.

Date: 2011-03-16 07:11 pm (UTC)
mad: I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN! (Default)
From: [personal profile] mad
But what works is that a lot of the time it's totally justified. Like, surface-dwellers are total jerks to the ocean. I'd be pissed too. (This is also my theory about Jason Todd.)

Date: 2011-03-16 07:17 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (happy cap)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
This is also my theory about Jason Todd.

He's pissed off about pollution?

Date: 2011-03-16 07:26 pm (UTC)
mad: I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN! (Default)
From: [personal profile] mad
LOL, no, that the reason why it's easy to cheer for him when he does things outside the usual bat-rules, like killing people and being a jerk, is because when you think about what he's been through, you can sympathize with him and cheer him on, even if you don't agree with him.

Date: 2011-03-16 07:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] valtyr
LOL, true enough. Like Magneto, too - it's hard to get too judgey when you see where he's coming from.

Date: 2011-03-16 07:40 pm (UTC)
mad: I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN! (Default)
From: [personal profile] mad
Pretty much.

Date: 2011-03-16 07:24 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Cap on his knees)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
I'm surprised there aren't more 'eco-terrorist' characters.

I SO WISH they had done more of this with Ultimate Thor. I LOVED that aspect of him.

Date: 2011-03-16 07:35 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Shield)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
I cracked the hell up when Thor was all "Not helping unless you double the foreign aid budget, boo." In Ultimate Six he's with the team just to hang out, or something, because Cap keeps saying "Thor, will you - " and he's "No." He was so original a take on Thor, I loved it. :/

Date: 2011-03-16 09:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
What should the reading list for Ultimate Thor be?

I;ve only read Ultimate Thor and Ultimate Secret

Date: 2011-03-16 10:20 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (rescue)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Hm, well. His intro is in Ultimates, of course, where they establish his character and he has several cool moments. He has a major storyline in Ultimates 2 including a big set-piece battle. He's a bit part in Ultimate Six, but a fun one. He's in the ensemble in Ultimate War, and fights Ultimate Storm. I don't recall him being in Ultimate Origins, Ultimate Gah Lak Tus, Ultimate Human or Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine at all. He's in Ultimate Power, Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum, but Loeb... wrote him oddly. Almost as if he hadn't read any Ultimates and just pasted in 616 Thor. In New Ultimates Loeb appears to have noticed the massive OOCness, and the plot of the series is basically Fixing It Through Epic Retcon And Exposition. It's a very odd story. He's not in Ultimate Avengers. In Ultimate Avengers vs New Ultimates, old-style Thor appears to be back, with no reference to the Loeb shenanigans.

He briefly appears in Ult X-Men at a party - just a panel or two - and in Ult Fantastic Four he comes to Johnny Storm's birthday party, again just a panel or two. I haven't read much of Ultimate Spider-Man, but in #150 he tells a story of when Spider-Man helped him out, and it's suggested he mentor Spider-Man a bit, which I'm really hoping to see. That's all I recall off the top of my head.

Is Ultimate Thor good? I'm tradewaiting right now, and Ultimate Thor+Jonathan Hickman is making me all hopeful.

Date: 2011-03-16 10:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
He's in Ultimate Secret. He does the "You, military industrial complex girl, bring us beer" to Danvers.

Ultimate Thor is alright. It stretches itself quite thin by having three different timelines going on. There's some very good bits in there though.

Date: 2011-03-16 10:37 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (gone rogue)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Oh, of course. He and Tony escort the Fantasti-car to the Triskelion, too. Another bit part, then.

Date: 2011-03-16 10:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
Oh, Christ, I forgot Millar's President Thor stuff. That's horrible, and not just because of Land's art.

Is Ultimate War an X-men storyline? Amazon suggests that it might be.

Date: 2011-03-16 10:50 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (boo hoo)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Oh man, I think I blocked that out! That was weird.

Ultimate War is an X-Men/Ultimates crossover, pretty sure it was a mini. In the same vein, Ultimate Six is a Spider-Man crossover mini.

Date: 2011-03-16 10:24 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Cap on his knees)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Oh, and don't touch the Ultimate Captain America mini. The only reasons to read that are a) you hate Ult Cap and want to see him written as a complete asshole* and then brutally abused b) you want to see lovingly drawn depictions of Cap in chains on his knees.

*How bad? Well, it's 'longing for the depth and complexity Mark Millar brings to the character' bad. No, really. That bad.

Date: 2011-03-16 07:27 pm (UTC)
mad: I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN! (Default)
From: [personal profile] mad

Well, there's Poison Ivy, and in some depcitions, R'as al Ghul.

Date: 2011-03-16 07:40 pm (UTC)
mad: I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN! (Default)
From: [personal profile] mad
True, and that seems to be a trend with a lot of supervillains, actually. Give them a sympathetic cause/background to flesh them out and make you interested, but they're Still Wrong.

It's really amazing how conservatively themed Batman mythos is when you think about it.

Though sometimes a thoughtful writer will include something like "and then Bruce Wayne donated blah blah to this cause that helps in a less destructive way blah blah", but that can also be kinda sketchy.

Date: 2011-03-16 09:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
We were discussing in our staffroom how Batman would be at the head of The Big Society if he was a) real and b) British.

He's a private citizen who volunteers his time so that the government don't need to spend more on public services.

Plus, he's a bajillionaire who beats up poor people

Date: 2011-03-17 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
I'm reminded of the Bruce Wayne/Ivy meet-up in 'Batman and Robin', where she hands him a list of demands to make his companies more eco-friendly. Bruce looks them over and says that, while they'd work, they'd also be extremely unsafe and endanger his workers' lives; she says 'so what?' and things progress from there. (I mean, not that anything from 'BaR' should be put forward as a good example, but it does do a fair job of fleshing out their respective positions. I'd like to have seen just what was on those papers, though.)

Date: 2011-03-17 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
I would replace 'jerk' with 'very grumpy and territorial', but otherwise, yeah.


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