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ejne7 ([personal profile] ejne7) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2011-04-16 08:29 pm

The weird canonical explanation for Cap Atom and Blue Beetle's reconciliation

Back when I was spamming the place with Extreme Justice scans, a commenter named as one of several justifiable gripes about EJ the fact that it had Blue Beetle and Captain Atom as coffee-drinking buddies, when prior canon often had them at one another's throats.

In issue #20 (Oct '88) of Captain Atom, which I got for 40p at Kapow last weekend, I think I've found the solution.

We begin our tale at the JLI embassy, where Booster Gold is also seethingly jealous of perplexed by this buddy-buddy dynamic between Cap and Ted.

I like how Scott's body language is all "Truthfully Booster I could not care less."

The nominal plot of the issue has Cap trying to take down a villainous army general who framed him in his origin-story court martial board, and who is now stockpiling super weapons for an evil scheme. To defeat him Cap needs the help of Ted, whose R&D company said villain recently acquired. (Ted was rattling through companies like nobody's business at this point.) Ted is less than keen, to begin with:

Yep. It's what Cap's trying to tell him. And the "covert casebook" is full of charming histories of Cap and Dan's knockabout heroic exploits.

BUT - there is a twist in the tale. See if you can guess what it is from some snippets from the casebook:

Anyone else surprised to learn that it was Dan, rather than Ted, who pioneered the Bug? (Anyone else unconvinced "acquaintance" is spelled that way?) Or how about this:

Something a little... derivative about that dialogue? Well, if you thought it was suspect, you're more astute a reader than Ted, who fails to realize that the entire casebook is, in fact, a total fabrication by Nate, designed to make Ted like him.

But what a fabrication it is:

Yep. Captain Atom essentially *wrote self-insertion fanfic about himself being best pals with Dan* so that Ted would be his friend. And Ted falls for it hook, line, and sinker.

But with Ted on board Cap's able to bring down his villain, save the day, and wind things up with some totally fraudulent buddy-bonding.

Ted, I'd stick with Booster if I were you. You don't see Nate tending Dan's grave until the end of time.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2011-04-16 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
That was indeed.. weird. I don't remember Dan ever being the creator of the Bug for one thing.

Surely Ted must have found out when Captain Atom went public with his past. I wonder if we ever saw any fall out from that, because Nate really should be called on that kind of bullshit.
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[personal profile] domino_blue 2011-04-16 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
It's actually a bit of a homage, you see Captain Atom's origin was changed after the crisis and that means it got rid of his history and teams up with the Blue Beelte(Ted Kord) so I think this is a homage to the Charlton Comics days.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2011-04-16 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
When Captain Atom was relaunched by DC, they gave him a complex backstory in which he had actually been operating for years before his apparent "debut". A lot of missions that had actually been handled by Sarge Steel, were assigned to Captain Atom's fictional public history, including many where he worked alongside Nightshade.
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[personal profile] poisonivory 2011-04-16 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
So...Ted FORGETS that he invented the Bug?

Yep. Totally a genius.
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[personal profile] poisonivory 2011-04-16 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Think what Farley Fleeter could have done with this information!

...Probably use it to make out with Ted.
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[personal profile] poisonivory 2011-04-16 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Ted: "I see no reason to be suspicious of anything that is happening right now!" *_*
Booster: D:
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[personal profile] sigmund_droid 2011-04-16 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
That is an awesome way of making friends
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[personal profile] sigmund_droid 2011-04-16 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
hmm but buying a beer doesn't seem to lead to the instant super-friendship that Captain Atom's does!

I mean that was like instant bromance!
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[personal profile] shadowpsykie 2011-04-16 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Dan Garrett wasn't just my friend and mentor... He was my my lover

I wasn't the only one thinking this was I?
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2011-04-16 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
"And we genetically engineered a son... a little boy who we had to give up because the others wouldn't understand... We left him outside the Kord Memorial Maternity Wing, and left a note with him... we only asked that whoever took him in named him... Ted"
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[personal profile] shadowpsykie 2011-04-16 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh I was referring to Dan and Ted, but Dan and adam works lol.

Speaking of genetically engineered love children I'm waiting for the episide of smallville for clark to tell lex "Lex, we have a son"
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[personal profile] jarodrussell 2011-04-16 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Given the source of that file, I think Ted's just trying to be polite, roll with things, and not insult Nathan's fanfic. Ted know's we've all written cracky little tales that defied canon, so Nate's tale about how Dan used the Beetle...well, Ted's ain't make no waves over that.
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[personal profile] jarodrussell 2011-04-16 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
"Ah, hell, at least he got the 'Garrett' part right. When Hawkman tried this, he thought Dan's last name was 'Jackson.'"
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2011-04-16 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)

Of course, given his status as a walking retcon generator, Hawkman might have been right at that point.
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[personal profile] shadowpsykie 2011-04-16 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
heh funny thing here is that Daniel Jackson was played by Michael Shanks on SG1, who also played Hawkman on Smallville :D
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2011-04-16 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that was the joke.
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[personal profile] shadowpsykie 2011-04-16 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh, I thought as much
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[personal profile] jarodrussell 2011-04-17 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
"Seriously, Carter, do you even watch that show? Daniel Jackson's dead wife's name is Sha're, not Shiera."
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[personal profile] richardak 2011-04-17 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
As the one who made the comment about Cap and Ted in Extreme Justice, I thought I should explain something about this issue that only got revealed in the next issue: Ted saw through Cap's deception right away. He knew Cap made up this whole story because he knew that Dan Garrett had the ability to fly under his own power, and that he, Ted, was the one who built the bug. Cap didn't know that, however, which is why he made such a seemingly obvious blunder in constructing this lie. The truth is that Ted hated Cap more after this. I've really got to start posting some more Captain Atom scans. I'll have to get on it after I get home from vacation. But thanks for posting this scan.
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[personal profile] baxter2814 2011-04-17 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
Wha? So if Cap is a self-insert fanficcer, Ted is apparently a troll reviewer? My brain hurts...
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[personal profile] richardak 2011-04-17 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know if Ted is a troll, exactly. He's playing along with Cap to find out the truth. He's not just trying to provoke a reaction.

[identity profile] djt2445.livejournal.com 2011-04-17 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Ted Kord, Mr. Miracle, and Booster Gold confront Captain Atom about the lie in Captain Atom #26. This is where Ted Kord reveals all along he was aware of the holes in the Dan Garrett story.

[identity profile] djt2445.livejournal.com 2011-04-17 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh, considering they spent six or so pages outlining every single way in which Captain Atom's lies were caught from the beginning of the series up till then, I believe it was quite deliberately planned the whole way.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2011-04-17 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
That's something of a relief
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[personal profile] richardak 2011-04-17 09:12 am (UTC)(link)
I loved this series, so I would definitely say yes. Just so you know, though, the artist on this issue eventually left the series, although he did continue to draw the covers. I didn't like the replacement artist anywhere near as much. But I felt that Bates and Weisman's writing more than made up for it.
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[personal profile] retro_nouveau 2011-04-17 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)

As if it wasn't skeevy and pathetic enough, putting Dan upside-down and spread-eagle is kind of pervy. Although Bond's situation wasn't much different.
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[personal profile] retro_nouveau 2011-04-17 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a little dishonest of Ted to let him live the lie, I might get mad at Ted after (if?) I see where he's going with it. But the Captain is exploiting Ted's relationship with his dead mentor, so he can't be blamed too much for some overreaction.

One thing's for certain, I won't blame you at all for being 100% subjective on all things Ted. :)
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[personal profile] meicdon13 2011-04-17 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
I wasn't the only one who noticed Captain Atom's ass on page 21, was I?