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So the final issue of Brightest Day came out, wherein we get the grand reintroduction of Swamp Thing to the DCU! Except... not exactly. And I'm really not sure how to feel about this.

Scans from Brightest Day #24, which came out today.

So as we saw in the last issue, the black evil force dealie stuff was using Swamp Thing as the dark avatar, whereas the White Champion was selected to be Alec Holland. Not Swamp Thing, mind you, but the dessicated, crunchy corpse of Alec Holland. The White Lantern recaps his death, and makes an important distinction:

As we see the big, giant, evil Dark Avatar, the Lantern says, "BUT IT WAS ONLY SWAMP THING." At this point, my eyebrows are raised. "Only?" But okay, I read on, seeing the various heroes battle Dark Swampy, while the White Lantern explains its grand plan to Deadman, and why Aquaman, J'onn, Firestorm, and the Hawks were converted into Water, Earth, Fire, and Air elementals:

W... wait. Is anyone else getting the impression here that Johns is saying that Swamp Thing was just a husk that took on imprinted memories, but wasn't actually an individual creature in its own right? Maybe I'm jumping the gun here, but wait, see what happens after Alec Holland is officially brought back to life by the White Lantern:

Yeah, he has no memories of being Swamp Thing, because he never was. So while the vines wrap around him and he DOES become Swamp Thing, he's--for all intents and purposes--and entirely different character. In fact, I'm getting the implication that now he's MORE of a character than Swamp Thing was before. Which, it's worth noting, is the monster that Holland!Thing is fighting now, as he definitely states his own identity:

And after the battle is over (spoiler alert! The day is saved), you'll note that Holland doesn't know any of these characters:

So is Swamp Thing back? Not really. This isn't Swamp Thing, it's Alec Holland as the NEW Swamp Thing. Unless he somehow merged his consciousness with the Swamp Thing's--and if you've read this issue, please let me know if that's what happened and I missed it, but the "Do I... know you?" seems to indicate that he hasn't merged with Swamp Thing's memories--then he has NO history with Abby Arcane, or Matt Cable, or even Constantine. On one hand, I suppose this is a way to make the DC-centric Swampy series new-reader-friendly or something. On the other hand, doesn't this kinda piss all over what writers have done with the character from Moore onward?

This is my first time in a long while that I've hastily thrown together a post for a brand new issue. Please let me know if I've screwed up at all with spoilers or anything. Bat-Apologies in advance.
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Date: 2011-04-27 04:50 pm (UTC)
lencannon: shy guy (Default)
From: [personal profile] lencannon
They've made this seem so much more complicated than it is.

1. The old swamp thing was a plant/earth elemental with the memories of a dead human, Alec Holland. This made him more sympathetic to humanity than others like him.

2. They raised the dead Alec Holland and gave him plant elemental powers to try and recreate the corrupted Swamp Thing.

Date: 2011-04-27 04:55 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: b/w (Default)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
If they messed Abby's love life again I'm going to need a hammer. Perhaps an Asgardian one.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] protogarrett
Now he just has to wait a year before he gets his stint in a short lived nearly randomly composed Justice League line-up that no one will remember.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
" Now he thinks he's Nekron. "

and now I'm imagining Evil Star and his space science gremlins doing their version of, ah.. the autopsy. It works so well.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:01 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
"Hey kids, did you like those stories told by that Alan Moore chap?

Well SCREW THAT NOISE, 'cause we're gonna undo all that and make that well-developed character (the Not Alec Swamp Thing) into a cliche, empty villain so we can bring Swamp Thing back proper!"

Date: 2011-04-27 05:02 pm (UTC)
ravenous_raven: Alfred, Batman's butler, saying "Heh." (Alfred "Heh")
From: [personal profile] ravenous_raven
...and by hammer you mean your manhood? (I can't be the only one who thought of that!)

Date: 2011-04-27 05:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ravenous_raven
Bat-Apologies in advance.

There are no such things as Bat-Apologies. Batman never apologizes. :*

Date: 2011-04-27 05:10 pm (UTC)
jcbaggee: Jesus (Default)
From: [personal profile] jcbaggee
Swamp Thing was an elemental who absorbed memories of Alec Holland.

When Nekron showed up, Swamp Thing absorbed those memories; by all account, what they're fighting here IS the husk of Swamp Thing. The Swamp Thing we knew died when Nekron's persona took it over.

The only way to save Earth was to connect Alec Holland with Swamp Thing.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:11 pm (UTC)
jcbaggee: Jesus (Default)
From: [personal profile] jcbaggee
Also, in all honesty, I'm surprised no one is talking about the last page. That was a much bigger surprise to me.

I'll let someone else post it here, but if you're dying to know, the spoiler is here.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:14 pm (UTC)
jcbaggee: Jesus (Default)
From: [personal profile] jcbaggee
OH, was it? Bollocks, I entirely missed that, all I heard was some hush hush discussion that he was coming back at some time and place down the road.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:15 pm (UTC)
jcbaggee: Jesus (Default)
From: [personal profile] jcbaggee
I'm sure it does somewhere, somehow, but maybe not immediately? Guess it depends on how much angst the writer wants to give him. Wouldn't be surprised if we now get the very human Holland consciousness at odds with the Swamp Thing elemental consciousness.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:19 pm (UTC)
jcbaggee: Jesus (Default)
From: [personal profile] jcbaggee
Yeah, I saw that, but it didn't mention Brightest Day, they said he'd be coming back after Flashpoint.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:22 pm (UTC)
jcbaggee: Jesus (Default)
From: [personal profile] jcbaggee
The implication is that Swamp Thing is the green, isn't it?

Date: 2011-04-27 05:41 pm (UTC)
bewareofgeek: (Crazy)
From: [personal profile] bewareofgeek
That's OK... Geoff Johns will use those stories as the inspiration for a Green Lantern crossover.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:42 pm (UTC)
recognitions: (Default)
From: [personal profile] recognitions
Just want to say again, called it!

Date: 2011-04-27 05:43 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
Swamp Thing will be a new Green Lantern! Lawl! Get it? 'Cause he's connected to The Green? Brilliant! This'll earn us an Eisner for sure!

Date: 2011-04-27 05:44 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
"Sorry" is Batman safety word.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:44 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
Batman's, even. ARGH! My kingdom for an edit button!
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