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Since everybody here is getting Thor-fever (and it is a jolly good film), I thought I'd post some of The Art of Thor

and also some of Ultimate Thor being not quite so ultimate and more like about to get his ass kicked in Ultimates 2 #4 by Captains America, Britain, France, Italy and Spain

Date: 2011-05-08 10:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Marvel's art books are always pretty lush. I love the one for Iron Man, and I want the one for Thor so I can see some of their ideas for adapting the very out-there Kirby designs - Some of which really came across in the movie, and others were much more subtle.

And that panel right there is one of the reasons I hate Millar's Ultimates (as much as it does have some really cool moments); Is it just me, or is Cap's response written in such a way that we're meant to get the feeling he wants to beat the crap out of Thor?

Date: 2011-05-08 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
"Is it just me, or is Cap's response written in such a way that we're meant to get the feeling he wants to beat the crap out of Thor?"

I think there is a bit of that--at that point, Ult Cap probably just thinks of Thor of a dirty, angry hippie with a lot of power. I think the key difference between Ultimate Cap and 616 Cap is that in the 616, while Cap was shocked and, in some ways, horrified by the world he found himself in, he ultimately embraced it when he joined the Avengers. In the Ultimate-verse, however, it seems like he rejects a lot of it, prefers his own time, and almost would rather not be there.

Date: 2011-05-09 02:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
In general, Ultimates 2 wasted no time in squandering the promise of the first volume. Loki comes up with the most ludicrous story imaginable--that there's a secret superpower skunk-works project in some Scandinavian country, capable of the sort of large-scale energy manipulation and teleportation that Thor showed off in Ultimates 1, and this crazy guy just walked in one day and stole it--and the rest of the team picks up the idiot ball and runs it all the way to the end zone. Plus, of course, plenty of the heaviest-handed Iraq War/GWOT allegories possible.

Date: 2011-05-09 10:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] valtyr
and the rest of the team picks up the idiot ball and runs it all the way to the end zone

I don't think 2 was as good as 1, but I thought it was pretty clear that the idiot ball was due to Loki messing with people's heads; look how easily Fury believed Cap was the traitor.

Date: 2011-05-09 04:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Mmmmmaybe. But Loki has, literally since time immemorial, been more of a classic trickster--lying, playing people off of each other, disguises, etc.--and for people to have to retcon some sort of direct mind control in order to explain away idiot plots doesn't really help Millar any.

Date: 2011-05-09 09:17 pm (UTC)
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That version could rewrite reality. Sorcerer with thousands of years of experience, remember? Other countries were developing super soldier programs, and even though the Avengers think Ultimate Thor is crazy, he's not stupid.

Date: 2011-05-17 01:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] valtyr
Way late reply, but I don't think I'm retconning it in, I thought it was explicit in the text - he even had Thor half-convinced he wasn't a God, which is beyond trickery and into mind-control.


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